| runjaimerun |
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Grit (Ex)
A mysterious stranger is a force to be reckoned with. Instead of using her Wisdom to determine the number of grit points she gains at the start of each day, she uses Charisma. This ability works in all other ways like the gunslinger's grit class feature
a couple of people that I know are having an argument over the wording of the mysterious strangers grit feature I am interpreting it rules as written where the wisdom still determines your total grip pool and charisma only effects the amount of grit you gain each day.
they are arguing that it's an error and charisma should also determine your total grit pool along with amount gained per day I would appreciate if this is answered in a timely manner thank you.
| Derklord |
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a couple of people that I know are having an argument over the wording of the mysterious strangers grit feature I am interpreting it rules as written where the wisdom still determines your total grip pool and charisma only effects the amount of grit you gain each day.
they are arguing that it's an error and charisma should also determine your total grit pool along with amount gained per day I would appreciate if this is answered in a timely manner thank you.
First, Paizo stopped doing FAQs for PF1 over three years ago. Second, while you are correct about the strict RAW, this is one of these cases where the RAW make absolutely no sense. Just like everyone uses the polymorph rules in the magic section for Wild Shape even though they as written only apply for "polymorph spells", everyone has the stances of style feats end when combat ends even though no rule actually says that, and everyone ignores that proficiency feats don't actually make the character proficient, I could go on and on, everyone else has the archetype also change the maximum grit to be charisma based.
Starting and maximum grit are intended to be the same. Your literal reading likely produces a situation where the character starts with more than the maximum, that's quite frankly ridiculous.
| runjaimerun |
A siege gunner relies less on luck and intuition and more on cold calculation and wit. The number of grit points a siege gunner gains each day and her maximum grit are based on the siege gunner’s Intelligence modifier rather than her Wisdom modifier.
other archetypes specifically call out that they effect maximum grit as well.
while mysterious stranger does not specifically do so maybe it was intended to pair with the feats extra grit and favorite class bonuses that add grit to make up for it.
| Cavall |
No class has feat requirements that they themselves HAVE to take that arent given by the class in order to have base function.
Again, you'll find there will be few in agreement with you.
While it may seem to lack the specific wording to you, it most certainly lacks any wording about gaining more than your maximum or having to take feats to function. Speculation on "maybe" they required feats to be taken on order to function seems far fetched.
I fail to even see why this is worth arguing with your friends over, as it is clear they are in the right and theres little to gain the other way around. You're just over reading it when the intent, if not the rules themselves, are clear.
I hope this helps.
Diego Rossi
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No class has feat requirements that they themselves HAVE to take that arent given by the class in order to have base function.
Again, you'll find there will be few in agreement with you.
While it may seem to lack the specific wording to you, it most certainly lacks any wording about gaining more than your maximum or having to take feats to function. Speculation on "maybe" they required feats to be taken on order to function seems far fetched.
I fail to even see why this is worth arguing with your friends over, as it is clear they are in the right and theres little to gain the other way around. You're just over reading it when the intent, if not the rules themselves, are clear.
I hope this helps.
It hasn't a feat requirement, it has a multiple abilities requirement.
You need a positive modifier in both Charisma and Wisdom for the archetype to function. The base class can work with high dexterity and moderate wisdom, the archetype needs dexterity, wisdom, and charisma.
I can't say if it is intended or an error, but it hasn't been changed in 9 years, so having two secondary stats seem RAI and not only RAW.
| Derklord |
it hasn't been changed in 9 years, so having two secondary stats seem RAI and not only RAW.
That it was never changed is abolutely no indication that it's intended. I could give you dozens of examples of the CRB saying something different than the intend without any reasonable doubt (that's 11 years with no change!). Like the Wild Shape thing I've mentioned.
You need a positive modifier in both Charisma and Wisdom for the archetype to function.
With no offense meant to the OP, all you need is a GM with a smidge of common sense. The idea that two parts of the same pool key off different ability scores is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
The ability says "Her grit goes up or down throughout the day, but usually cannot go higher than her Wisdom modifier (minimum 1)". This archetype is the unusual case that is explicitly addressed.
| runjaimerun |
no disrespect taken at all. the unusual in that regard is in reference to favorite class bonuses and feats. The addition of the line
In all other ways this functions as the gun slingers grit class feature
is what drives me to believe this was intended as an MAD class because other archetypes like the previously mentioned siege Gunner do not include that line at all and specifically reference that maximum grit is altered to use the new ability
| Derklord |
That line is actually pretty standard fare for archetypes*, to make clear that everything not mentioned isn't overwritten. Siege Gunner is the one not written according to standards (it doesn't even say it alters the Grit class feature!), if you will. And again, RAW you're absolutely right, it's just that I am completely convinced that it's not intended. For that, I'd expect something like "She still uses her wisdom modifier to determine the maximum", similar to e.g. Mnemostiller Alchemist.
*) Usually worded "This ability otherwise functions as" or "This otherwise functions as".