Gorilla Slam attacks


Rules Discussion


If I were to Gorilla Pound and then do a Mixed Manuever (assuming I missed on the Gorilla Pound attack would I gain the +1 (from Backswing) on the first attempt for the Mixed Manuever?


So, to see if I followed:

You're in Gorilla Stance, using Gorilla Slam attacks. You use the Gorilla Pound Feat, and your attack missed.

Then you use the Mixed Maneuver Feat for your next two actions.

Backswing states:

"After missing with this weapon on your turn, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your next attack with this weapon before the end of your turn."

I think, as long as you used a Gorilla Slam Strike for your Mixed Maneuver, it would work. But since Gorilla Slam doesn't have the Shove or Trip traits, the only maneuver that would qualify would be Grapple, since you could Grapple with your Gorilla Slam Strike (which is an attack) and get the bonus. You can't Shove or Trip with a Gorilla Slam Strike itself, so they wouldn't get the bonus, because you're not attacking with the weapon required to activate Backswing.

That's my reading, but I could be wrong.


Ahh I see interesting, so could I for the first Mixed Manuever use a Grapple then announce for my second use a normal strike not a Gorilla strike to Trip?


I'll be honest I have no idea, I'm not well versed enough with the system yet.

Back in PF1, you could try any maneuver with any weapon you wanted, with some exceptions.

In PF2, I don't know if that's the case. It seems from my reading that you can only use a maneuver with a weapon is the weapon has the corresponding trait. If it doesn't, you're not using the weapon, you're using your free hands.

So in this example, Gorilla Slam has Grapple, so I can Grapple with Gorilla Slam. I can still use Trip or Shove because Gorilla Slam is Unarmed, which means my hands are free, but I wouldn't be using Gorilla Slam, so I don't get the Backswing.

You also wouldn't need to make Grapple the first check, I don't think, since Backswing is on the next attack.

So, if you use Gorilla Pound and miss, then use Mixed Maneuver. First you try to Trip. The Trip doesn't use Gorilla Slam, so you don't get Backswing, but you can still do it since your hands are free.

Then you Grapple. You can use Gorilla Slam to grapple, and if you do, you get the +1 from Backswing, because it's your first attack with the weapon after the miss. You would also get to add any bonuses Gorilla Slam would get (like from Handwraps), which is neat.

That's how I'm reading this interaction, but as I said I'm not super duper comfortable with Monks and Stances and their different Unarmed attacks, so I could be wrong.


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Atalius wrote:
Ahh I see interesting, so could I for the first Mixed Manuever use a Grapple then announce for my second use a normal strike not a Gorilla strike to Trip?

Using a free hand to trip, as normal, is not using a strike at all, nor is it using the default unarmed attack, Fist, which does not have the trip trait. It is simply tripping.

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