I'm trying to work out what the use case is for taking overextending feint (OF) over nimble dodge (ND).
ND gives you a guaranteed +2 to AC against one attack at the cost of a reaction.
OF requires you to feint, then only on a success do they get a -2 to their next attack with the opportunity for a -2 for all attack rolls against you. This is at the price of a feint action, the risk of not succeeding, and the trade-off of making them flat footed.
Is the reaction that valuable? The only scenario I can imagine OF being better is if one opponent is making multiple attacks against you, and you just hope for a crit success.
You can feint twice.
Once for flat footed, once to reduce their attack, the stab them.
And then use nimble dodge on top of it.
But I would still take nimble dodge first. You have no other use for the reaction at level 1.
But a champion / rogue would think differently.
Yeah I don't see one as better or worse than the other. They don't compete for the same space at all, given that one is a passive attaching to the feint action and the other is a reaction. You can use both. And if your ability to Feint is strong enough, it's potentially stronger in many cases than nimble dodge.
Well, they're competing for my class feats, so that's something!
But yeah I guess it depends if you have any other use for a reaction competing with nimble dodge.
Thanks for your input!
i take twin feint and train out of it when i get gang up at 6.
i take twin feint and train out of it when i get gang up at 6.
I find gang up an amusing feat, as while it has been useful to the rogue in my party, it has also resulted in many many scenarios where they will put themselves in a place where the barbarian cannot flank with them so only the rogue is gaining the benefits of flat footed.
And when they are able to flank, well then gang up isn't making a difference or they could have moved to flanking anyway -laughs-
i take twin feint and train out of it when i get gang up at 6.I find gang up an amusing feat, as while it has been useful to the rogue in my party, it has also resulted in many many scenarios where they will put themselves in a place where the barbarian cannot flank with them so only the rogue is gaining the benefits of flat footed.
And when they are able to flank, well then gang up isn't making a difference or they could have moved to flanking anyway -laughs-
and twin feint only ever counts for 1 strike
its a reliable form of damage insurance, that doesnt mess with my action economy.