Vigilante Talent - Volatile Arrows


Rules Questions


Hey all. I'm trying to figure out how the vigilante talent "volatile arrows" works. Does this allow the vigilante to create bombs as well? Or would the vigilante have to do something else (like dip into alchemist) in order to create bombs to utilize this talent? Thoughts?


It's easy to miss but it does give the vigilante their own bombs ability.

Volatile Arrows wrote:
If the attack hits, it deals an additional amount of damage equal to that of an alchemist bomb, using the vigilante’s level as his alchemist level to determine the bomb’s damage. He can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + his Intelligence modifier.

The way it's worded, it sounds like if the character has bombs from another source they would not be able to attach them without a separate ability that allows them to do so.


Thanks LordKailas. That was actually the part that was giving me pause. That clears it up for me.


FrankJameso wrote:
Thanks LordKailas. That was actually the part that was giving me pause. That clears it up for me.

you're welcome. It did make me want to make another attempt at something I've looked at before but couldn't find a way to make work. Shooting allies with healing arrows. A vigilante with the aforementioned talent can do it but they have to take the talent twice (taking the healing bombs discovery). This wouldn't be so bad except the only archetypes that give a vigilante the ability to cast healing spells also eat up the vigilante's 4th, 8th, and 10th level talents. Meaning I wouldn't get healing arrows and channel energy to come online until 12th level. I try to build to 10th so this is mildly disappointing :(

Even dropping the channel energy ability means it wouldn't work till 6th level.

Liberty's Edge

Differently from bombs, the arrow doesn't seem to have any effect if it misses.

Quote:
If the attack hits,

nothing about what happens if it misses.


Diego Rossi wrote:

Differently from bombs, the arrow doesn't seem to have any effect if it misses.

Quote:
If the attack hits,
nothing about what happens if it misses.

I don't think there is splash damage either even on a hit.

It's worded a bit oddly so I'm not 100% sure.

Liberty's Edge

Lemartes wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:

Differently from bombs, the arrow doesn't seem to have any effect if it misses.

Quote:
If the attack hits,
nothing about what happens if it misses.

I don't think there is splash damage either even on a hit.

It's worded a bit oddly so I'm not 100% sure.

It is a possible interpretation.

The whole ability has that feeling of having been written to work one way, then to have it changed in development without changing all the text.

The first part says: " A vigilante with this talent gains the ability to attach an alchemist bomb to a ranged attack he makes ...", so it seems that the talent gives him the ability to make alchemist bombs. But nowhere in the text, it says it does that.

For the splash damage, it says "If the attack hits, it deals an additional amount of damage equal to that of an alchemist bomb, using the vigilante’s level as his alchemist level to determine the bomb’s damage."
As it says that it does damage equal to an alchemist bomb I would say that it does splash damage, as that is part of an alchemist bomb.

But, as I already said, the whole isn't really coherent, and several interpretations are possible.


Yeah who knows what the intent was. :)

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