Allied spells while invisible, how?


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Say you are invisible and need healing, you tapped your friend to let them know your square.

Does the friend roll miss chance due to you being invisible?


Yes. Unless they can see invisible or have blindsight or you kept hold of them rather than just tapping their shoulder.

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avr wrote:
... or you kept hold of them rather than just tapping their shoulder.

What are the consequences of keeping hold of someone? You still receive your full dexterity bonus to AC, from dodge and other abilities that require you to move?

Do you count as grappled? Your friend?

Saying "it doesn't have any negative effect" is questionable. You are purposefully giving away your position and restricting your movement doing that.


avr wrote:
Yes. Unless they can see invisible or have blindsight or you kept hold of them rather than just tapping their shoulder.
PRD wrote:


Concealment Miss Chance: Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. Make the attack normally—if the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance d% roll to avoid being struck. Multiple concealment conditions do not stack.

Total Concealment: If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight, he is considered to have total concealment from you. You can't attack an opponent that has total concealment, though you can attack into a square that you think he occupies. A successful attack into a square occupied by an enemy with total concealment has a 50% miss chance (instead of the normal 20% miss chance for an opponent with concealment).

Miss chances are only rolled after making an attack roll. Healing spells (to heal) do not require attack rolls, thus no miss chance roll is rolled.


bbangerter wrote:
avr wrote:
Yes. Unless they can see invisible or have blindsight or you kept hold of them rather than just tapping their shoulder.
PRD wrote:


Concealment Miss Chance: Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. Make the attack normally—if the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance d% roll to avoid being struck. Multiple concealment conditions do not stack.

Total Concealment: If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight, he is considered to have total concealment from you. You can't attack an opponent that has total concealment, though you can attack into a square that you think he occupies. A successful attack into a square occupied by an enemy with total concealment has a 50% miss chance (instead of the normal 20% miss chance for an opponent with concealment).

Miss chances are only rolled after making an attack roll. Healing spells (to heal) do not require attack rolls, thus no miss chance roll is rolled.

Technically, you're not wrong. But healing spells do require an attack roll to deal damage, and I think it's implied that in the case of beneficial touch spells you basically auto-hit because your target isn't resisting, like a CdG. But when your target is invisible, has mirror images, or doesn't want to be effected I'd require some kind of roll. Even though by RAW I don't think it should.


Part of that is the assumption that you are trying not to be hit though. You can lean and wave your arm through like 80% of a 5 foot square pretty easily.

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