My wand & shield wielding life healer don't have use magic device, bluff and intimidate as class skills! :((
What i want is to have those skills!
But also! Toppeling metamagic for my spiritual weapon used with magical lineage!
Before the idea of heavely relying on spiritual weapon I had 2 traits to gain umd and bluff leaving out intimidate.
However now the only way i see of getting it is by dipping 1 lvl into a class with those as class skills. A rouge for example who gains the most skill points.
However my head is overfilled right having looked at 100 archetypes to find the most suitable.
And I have no idea now.
What options would give me the best buy back for loosing 1 spellcaster lvl???
What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
Forgot to add that. I'm a half elf
Minigiant wrote: What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
That is a solution i haven't thought about. But gives me -3 in the big
picture to either one of theme.
However, if i find a class that lacks one of them and suits me very well this can be the class saver.
One thing that adds even more to the choices is that I play 2 characters where the other is a hunter focusing on aoo and flanking bonuses with his wolf.
Now i selected cavalier and he gets a bonus tactician which give me a teamwork feat, that he can also share with others!
This give me multiple advantages and choices.
Becuse my Hunter has 1 lvl of brawler dip to gain marital flexibility allowing me to situationally select teamwork feats on the fly.
This should need some nice combos with cavalier's ability to share teamwork feat.
Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
That is a solution i haven't thought about. But gives me -3 in the big
picture to either one of theme.
However, if i find a class that lacks one of them and suits me very well this can be the class saver. In English? -3?
Half-Elf
Trade multitalented for Fey Thoughts (Bluff&UMD)
Traits: Magical Lineage & Omen
Done, and no multiclassing
Minigiant wrote: Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
That is a solution i haven't thought about. But gives me -3 in the big
picture to either one of theme.
However, if i find a class that lacks one of them and suits me very well this can be the class saver. In English? -3?
Half-Elf
Trade multitalented for Fey Thoughts (Bluff&UMD)
Traits: Magical Lineage & Omen
Done, and no multiclassing Sorry. I ment if i loose out on skill focus, my diplomacy max would be 3 less then if I gain the class skill and can still have skill focus.
Skill focus equals 1 feet and Im starved on feets.
But this can work yes! but i think i have found a combo, as mentioned above that can be worth loosing the late progression to lvl 3 spells.
Looking at the possible combinations now, of synergy between having my oracle being able to get and give 1 other player a teamwork feat.
Having 2 more teamwork feats on the ground could greatly increase the other players reach fighter and my Hunter which opts for aoo and flanking.
Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
That is a solution i haven't thought about. But gives me -3 in the big
picture to either one of theme.
However, if i find a class that lacks one of them and suits me very well this can be the class saver. In English? -3?
Half-Elf
Trade multitalented for Fey Thoughts (Bluff&UMD)
Traits: Magical Lineage & Omen
Done, and no multiclassing Sorry. I ment if i loose out on skill focus, my diplomacy max would be 3 less then if I gain the class skill and can still have skill focus.
Skill focus equals 1 feet and Im starved on feets.
But this can work yes! but i think i have found a combo, as mentioned above that can be worth loosing the late progression to lvl 3 spells. My suggestion doesn't lose you Skill Focus though
And delaying access to level 3 spells is never worth it
Minigiant wrote: Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: Alesander wrote: Minigiant wrote: What Race are you?
If you are human, something like Fey Magic, the alternative racial trait could grab you Bluff, and UMD, at the cost of giving up Skilled
That is a solution i haven't thought about. But gives me -3 in the big
picture to either one of theme.
However, if i find a class that lacks one of them and suits me very well this can be the class saver. In English? -3?
Half-Elf
Trade multitalented for Fey Thoughts (Bluff&UMD)
Traits: Magical Lineage & Omen
Done, and no multiclassing Sorry. I ment if i loose out on skill focus, my diplomacy max would be 3 less then if I gain the class skill and can still have skill focus.
Skill focus equals 1 feet and Im starved on feets.
But this can work yes! but i think i have found a combo, as mentioned above that can be worth loosing the late progression to lvl 3 spells. My suggestion doesn't lose you Skill Focus though
And delaying access to level 3 spells is never worth it Ah! I see, thanks! my head is overspinning.
Alesander wrote:
Ah! I see, thanks! my head is overspinning. May I suggest breathing. In all seriousness, I know enthusiasm and momentum go hand in hand but, take a step back for a second. Contextualize what you are trying to do, and explain slowly.
Your original post is missing a lot of context on exactly what you are trying to achieve which makes decent advice harder to give
Thanks for your help. The teamwork feat with cavalier as a dip would be great. But you are right!
Ill lvl up oracle and follow your suggestion.
Im a sucker for advanced combinations and finding a great on drives me crazy. Kinda have adhd, does not help the matter.
Thank you.
So leveling up oracle to 5, im looking for ways to contribute to the fighting. And given my high amount of bluff, spiritual weapon, high con and a shield I think feinting is a good addon.
I take the teamwork feat Feint Partner. This will allow my wolf and hunter (using martial flexibility to take the feat) to attack enemies without there dex bonus. Should be pretty nice.
I will look for other uses of her feat but this is the best option iv found so far.
Alesander wrote: Thanks for your help. The teamwork feat with cavalier as a dip would be great. But you are right!
Ill lvl up oracle and follow your suggestion.
Im a sucker for advanced combinations and finding a great on drives me crazy. Kinda have adhd, does not help the matter.
Thank you.
So leveling up oracle to 5, im looking for ways to contribute to the fighting. And given my high amount of bluff, spiritual weapon, high con and a shield I think feinting is a good addon.
I take the teamwork feat Feint Partner. This will allow my wolf and hunter (using martial flexibility to take the feat) to attack enemies without there dex bonus. Should be pretty nice.
I will look for other uses of her feat but this is the best option iv found so far.
Are you multiclassing Hunter and Oracle? What is your build? It sounds as if you are talking about very different characters
I play two characters :) The other one is a hunter lvl 4 with 1 lvl in brawler.
Feats: Pack flanking, outflank, combat expertise, + 1 from martial flexibility.
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