Slashing Grace & Elven Thornblade

[AegisRom]

With a title like that... anyone want to hazard a guess as to what my question is?

We are looking at building a Kensai Magus. One of the thoughts is to go down the Slashing Grace route. The player in my game wants to use an Elven Thornblade. Since the Thornblade is already P/S (already has the ability to do Piercing damage), does it qualify for this feat?

I am of the belief that a main part of this feat is to allow a weapon that cannot do Piercing damage to be able to do such, AND allows you to apply DEX to damage as a side effect.

Any help?

Please and thank you!

- JW

[vhok]

is it a 1handed slashing weapon? yes. that's all the feat cares about

[FamiliarMask]

AegisRom wrote:

With a title like that... anyone want to hazard a guess as to what my question is?

We are looking at building a Kensai Magus. One of the thoughts is to go down the Slashing Grace route. The player in my game wants to use an Elven Thornblade. Since the Thornblade is already P/S (already has the ability to do Piercing damage), does it qualify for this feat?

I am of the belief that a main part of this feat is to allow a weapon that cannot do Piercing damage to be able to do such, AND allows you to apply DEX to damage as a side effect.

Any help?

Please and thank you!

- JW

Nothing in the Slashing Grace feat actually allows you to do Piercing damage with a Slashing weapon. It just lets you count it as one for feats and class abilities that require one.

So having the feat would, for example, let you use Swashbuckler's Grace with a longsword, but wouldn't actually let the longsword do Piercing damage. It would also let you add your Dex instead of Str to the longsword's damage.

The Thornblade is a one-handed Slashing weapon, so it qualifies to be chosen for Slashing Grace. The fact that the Thornblade is also already a one-handed Piercing weapon doesn't really enter into it. You can take Slashing Grace for it and get Dex to damage.

[Java Man]

I believe that spell combat and slashing grace are not compatible.

[vhok]

Dervish Dance works because your not carrying a weapon in your other hand slashing graces req you to not make attacks with a weapon in the other hand which magus does when he casts his spells and makes a full attack the spell counts as using the other hand to attack with, that said its actually the exact same thing as going thornblade but with a different weapon so i would houserule allow spell combat to work with slashing grace. it is just a weapon flavor thing at that point.

[WombattheDaniel]

Or just get the Agile Weapon Enhancement and save the feat slot.

[Volkard Abendroth]

vhok wrote:

slashing graces req you to not make attacks with a weapon in the other hand which magus does when he casts his spells and makes a full attack the spell counts as using the other hand to attack with,

No, not because you are attacking with your other hand. Spell Combat does not work with Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace because the FAQ explicitly stated a list of things that are counted as TWFing that included Flurry and Spell Combat.

The Magus' hand is still counted as unoccupied while using spell combat. A magus may attack with his empty hand (delivering a touch spell) but will typically use Spellstrike, attacking with his occupied hand. This is important because there are quite a few feats and abilities that require an unoccupied hand and that the magus can use in conjunction with Spell Combat.

[vhok]

Volkard Abendroth wrote:

vhok wrote:

slashing graces req you to not make attacks with a weapon in the other hand which magus does when he casts his spells and makes a full attack the spell counts as using the other hand to attack with,

No, not because you are attacking with your other hand. Spell Combat does not work with Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace because the FAQ explicitly stated a list of things that are counted as TWFing that included Flurry and Spell Combat.

The Magus' hand is still counted as unoccupied while using spell combat. A magus may attack with his empty hand (delivering a touch spell) but will typically use Spellstrike, attacking with his occupied hand. This is important because there are quite a few feats and abilities that require an unoccupied hand and that the magus can use in conjunction with Spell Combat.

This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast.

[Lady Asharah]

You can't use Slashing Grace and Spell Combat at the same time, so what you can do is run a Elven Curve Blade Magus that ignores spell combat and just unloads two handed Spellstrikes.

Either way you will want the Agile enchantment over Slashing Grace.

If you absolutely need a magus with dex to damage but don't want the enchantment, then Dervish Dancer is really the best way to get it. Just reflavor your scimitar to be of elven make.