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From what I have seen, there is still quite a bit of interest in PFS1. The lack of continued support has many of us frustrated.
Last year, I had begun work on a website for continued PFS1 support, which would potentially include 3rd party products/scenarios/modules/etc. (with approval of some kind, of course) to continue support for PFS1. I had stopped working on it, since I wasn't sure there was a need for such a site, but perhaps that has changed.
So you know, I am not a person who dabbles in web development. I have been writing applications that run over the web for 17+ years. This is what I am paid to do professionally. It was, what I would think, something that everyone would want from a reporting system....including the ability to use it on mobile devices and the ability to get a "report" on everything you have played with character level/scenario tracking built in. There are other features I had been working on as well, but I shelved the code last summer.
At this point, I want to gauge how much interest there is in continuing the site. If there is a good amount and the site would be used, I'll be glad to bring it back online and continue to develop. I would also probably want a few beta testers to play with the site, see what they can do/break, if I could get some volunteers.
Please reply to this post if you would be interested in some type of continuation of PFS1 (or at least like this post) so I can determine if it is worth my time and money.
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What do you mean by continued support? Paizo is continuing support by allowing the adventures to be purchased and reported. GMs can still earn stars and will continue to be recognized for their efforts.
What is it that you want to bring to the table? Anything 3rd party would pull it out of the Organized Play model and thus no longer PFS.
Have you asked this question to the company?
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What is it that you want to bring to the table? Anything 3rd party would pull it out of the Organized Play model and thus no longer PFS.
It would still be an Organized Play model, just not organized by Paizo. And no, not organized solely by myself, but by some type of committee that would need to be created/organized. Yes, Paizo is continuing to allow you to purchase their PFS1 products, but they stated they are no longer creating content for PF1. Meaning, the environment will become stale and eventually no one will/can play PFS1. I am proposing a way to continue playing by introducing 3rd party products in a "new" Organized play model.
Have you asked this question to the company?
No, I have not. Paizo was very clear that they cannot/will not continue to make PF1 products. Sure, they will let you purchased products they have already made (It would be stupid not to), but their focus is on PF2 and SF.
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Thank you for your interest. I know of nobody who's interested in PFS1 anymore, personally, except for maybe "retiring" some of their higher level characters. But if you think you have a large enough local audience, you can of course organize whatever third party home group you want. It just obviously couldn't be associated with Paizo's Organized Play program.
I would wager a guess that your workload to reward ratio would be greatly skewed, since if people are using Third Party products anyways, there's no real incentive to adhere to any ranking system. You wouldn't have Chronicles, GM Stars, or any incentive to hold players and GMs to any standard. It would essentially just be several homegroups leveling up together in a homebrew Campaign.
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You wouldn't have Chronicles, GM Stars, or any incentive to hold players and GMs to any standard. It would essentially just be several homegroups leveling up together in a homebrew Campaign.
Why couldn't chronicles be created for 3rd party scenarios? Why couldn't GM stars be tracked in this system? I guess I don't understand why this couldn't, in effect, replace PFS1 with something like "Pathfinder Outside Society" (the name I was originally calling the website).
Just because it isn't officially from Paizo, doesn't mean it couldn't use the same model. I mean, right now, it's just all the players and GMs saying "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a PFS game." What would be the difference if they say "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a Pathfinder Outside Society game"?
It may not be worth the workload/reward ratio, that is why I am asking if people are interested....
You wouldn't have Chronicles, GM Stars, or any incentive to hold players and GMs to any standard. It would essentially just be several homegroups leveling up together in a homebrew Campaign.Why couldn't chronicles be created for 3rd party scenarios? Why couldn't GM stars be tracked in this system? I guess I don't understand why this couldn't, in effect, replace PFS1 with something like "Pathfinder Outside Society" (the name I was originally calling the website).
Just because it isn't officially from Paizo, doesn't mean it couldn't use the same model. I mean, right now, it's just all the players and GMs saying "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a PFS game." What would be the difference if they say "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a Pathfinder Outside Society game"?
It may not be worth the workload/reward ratio, that is why I am asking if people are interested....
My little brother writes a first level adventure giving 45,000 gold and a vorpal sword +6. Because that's the kind of adventure he likes and its objectively what real gaming is!
Someone plays that adventure, shows up at level 2 with the sword.
You'd need some sort of vetting process to keep that from happening. All in the name of making something to compete with PF2... you know the thing they're currently getting paid for.
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You'd need some sort of vetting process to keep that from happening. All in the name of making something to compete with PF2... you know the thing they're currently getting paid for.
I agree, absolutely. It certainly wouldn't be a "Everything 3rd party is good". There would need to be a submission for authors and review process by a team of people.
It would still be an Organized Play model, just not organized by Paizo. And no, not organized solely by myself, but by some type of committee that would need to be created/organized.
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I think it's possible, but it's not a small endeavor.
Some of us who've been around long enough remember plaing Living Greyhawk, Living Arcanis and Living Kalamar (there may have been more). Each used the 3.5 ruleset. The idea of organized play has been around a long time.
Each of those campaigns had a connection through the RPGA and the OGL to WOTC. But each used a different campaign world (read intellectual property).
As Gnollvalue says, the people who want to continue with 1st ed want to see continued story support through scenarios (and probably campaign support like the additional resources doc). That will require legal access to write scenarios in Golarion. That's something you'd have negotiate through Paizo. The would likely want some control and boundaries.
I would think selling Paizo on that kind of continuation would require a pretty good business plan. Including demonstration that you have a firm understanding of balancing the play experience, managing third party author content, producing a certain number of scenarios per year, and have the resources to pull this off.
It's not a small effort to put together a new organized play and there are challenges. Look at the challenges Paizo had with Starfinder and PF2 society startups.
Back to your original question, "Would I be interested?" Given the above, I don't believe I have the time or interest in doing that much work as I am enjoying the PF2e storyline and game system just fine.
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Why couldn't chronicles be created for 3rd party scenarios? Why couldn't GM stars be tracked in this system? I guess I don't understand why this couldn't, in effect, replace PFS1 with something like "Pathfinder Outside Society" (the name I was originally calling the website).
Its not so much "can" as in being capable of performing the action, its morso a "can" being is it permitted. And the answer to that is no. PFS1 is still an active campaign administered by Paizo and the OPF. A 3PP or a community member could write a scenario and produce a chronicle but it would not be sanctioned for play. No current PFS1 character could participate in that scenario without becoming invalid.
Also, remember that Pathfinder has intellectual properties. So a lot of what you might want/need to see in a scenario would be off limits unless you were a licensed 3PP or at least licensed for that particular product. And given that it would be in direct competition to Paizo's own organized play campaign, I doubt they would license it.
Just because it isn't officially from Paizo, doesn't mean it couldn't use the same model. I mean, right now, it's just all the players and GMs saying "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a PFS game." What would be the difference if they say "We will abide by these rules, so we can play anywhere in a Pathfinder Outside Society game"?
What you are describing is your own "home" campaign being made available to a larger audience. Essentially you would be running your own organized play campaign and could therefore use whatever rules you want. It just would not be compatible with PFS. Players could not bring any characters from your campaign into PFS.
This is not to say that in some future time, Paizo could decide to allow additional content from an outside source. Its just that this subject has come up a number of times and they are not interested.
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When I used to run lengthy home games, with Campaigns spanning a dozen levels and taking upwards of two years to complete, I handed out cardstock-printed treasure items and what I used to call "favors": trade this in at a future date and an NPC will aid you.
It was adapted from RPGA in the 90s, but my players certainly couldn't bring their characters to an RPGA game for credit.
But that doesn't have to stop you from doing some sort of personal reward system yourself. Or even creating a website to track it.
But it'd have to be clear that it's not interchangeable with Paizo's organized play Campaign.
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I can’t seem to find the post right now, but someone suggested the exact same thing last year. You might want to be sure you aren’t creating another parallel (and competing) campaign.
What you are suggesting - creating a campaign unaffiliated with Paizo - is probably possible. However there are two major difficulties you need to think through before you proceed. One: is there really enough interest for a branched campaign to make it worth your time? Two: There may be some tricky legal interactions. Particularly in regards to how you advertise your campaign. I don’t have the legal expertise to list the details, but you will need to be very careful to comply with the terms of the Open Game License and not infringe on any of Paizo’s trademarks/trade dress/IP/etc.