Darkvision


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Envoy's Alliance

Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

So how far can someone with Darkvision see in total darkness? The rule books says that
“ Core Rulebook pg. 465
A creature with darkvision or greater darkvision can see perfectly well in areas of darkness and dim light, though such vision is in black and white only. Some forms of magical darkness, such as a 4th-level darkness spell, block normal darkvision. A creature with greater darkvision, however, can see through even these forms of magical darkness.” But it doesn’t give a distance of darkvision. I’m assuming its as far as normal vision but any clarification would be great. Thanks


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Since there is no listed limit anymore, I would assume it is as far as normal vision could see in bright light.

Envoy's Alliance

Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber
Alyran wrote:
Since there is no listed limit anymore, I would assume it is as far as normal vision could see in bright light.

Is there a page or anything that tells you how far players can see in normal light?


Moulson wrote:
Alyran wrote:
Since there is no listed limit anymore, I would assume it is as far as normal vision could see in bright light.
Is there a page or anything that tells you how far players can see in normal light?

The answer is as long as they are "clearly visible". So not "obscured by the environment".

CRB PG. 464 "Precise Senses" wrote:

Average vision is a precise sense—a sense that can be

used to perceive the world in nuanced detail. The only
way to target a creature without having drawbacks is
to use a precise sense. You can usually detect a creature
automatically with a precise sense unless that creature is
hiding or obscured by the environment, in which case you
can use the Seek basic action to better detect the creature.

This essentially means, as long as the GM thinks it is reasonable for you to be able to sense them with your eyes. That could be a long distance from an elevated surface with good light and no fog, etc... or within 10 feet of your eyes if you are in a deep fog bank or something similar.

Darkvision similarly no longer has a specific range that I can find and so would have a similar restriction. That and Darkvision specifically imposes a "black and white" picture of the world, so do with that as you will.

Envoy's Alliance

Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber
beowulf99 wrote:
Moulson wrote:
Alyran wrote:
Since there is no listed limit anymore, I would assume it is as far as normal vision could see in bright light.
Is there a page or anything that tells you how far players can see in normal light?

The answer is as long as they are "clearly visible". So not "obscured by the environment".

CRB PG. 464 "Precise Senses" wrote:

Average vision is a precise sense—a sense that can be

used to perceive the world in nuanced detail. The only
way to target a creature without having drawbacks is
to use a precise sense. You can usually detect a creature
automatically with a precise sense unless that creature is
hiding or obscured by the environment, in which case you
can use the Seek basic action to better detect the creature.

This essentially means, as long as the GM thinks it is reasonable for you to be able to sense them with your eyes. That could be a long distance from an elevated surface with good light and no fog, etc... or within 10 feet of your eyes if you are in a deep fog bank or something similar.

Darkvision similarly no longer has a specific range that I can find and so would have a similar restriction. That and Darkvision specifically imposes a "black and white" picture of the world, so do with that as you will.

Awesome!! Thank you!!

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