wakizashi

[Zapp]

Simple question - there is official katana stats in the PF2 rulebook.

What is your recommended PF2 stats for the wakisashi?

Ideally a reskin of an existing weapon rather than a brand new entry.

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The basics: it's one die-step lower than the katana, so it must be a d4 weapon. Like a katana it's not common, so it must be uncommon. Like the katana, it should probably be "deadly".

All this points to the katar stats, except replacing the "monk" trait with "versatile S"

What do you think?

[Gorbacz]

That this discussion belongs in the Homebrew subforum.

[Artofregicide]

Sounds good to me.

[Claxon]

In PF1 it was basically a re-skinned short sword, with an expanded crit range.

I'd make it a shortsword with deadly trait and exotic proficiency

[Wheldrake]

Or just make it a shortsword.

Why complicate things?

[Zapp]

Artofregicide wrote:

Sounds good to me.

Thanks!

Claxon wrote:

In PF1 it was basically a re-skinned short sword, with an expanded crit range.

I'd make it a shortsword with deadly trait and exotic proficiency

I would like to draw your attention to the fact the katana isn't exotic.

Wheldrake wrote:

Or just make it a shortsword.

Why complicate things?

Can you by any chance see any value in the argument "because a katana isn't a longsword, the wakisashi deserves to be not a shortsword"?

[Wheldrake]

It seems more to me like a player trying to bluff his way into adding additional cool weapon properties when nothing in the weapons list is cool enough for him.

But hey, if it works for you in your home game, go for it!

You could also just make it a katana with a one-step reduction in the damage die.

[Claxon]

Zapp wrote:

Claxon wrote:

In PF1 it was basically a re-skinned short sword, with an expanded crit range.

I'd make it a shortsword with deadly trait and exotic proficiency

I would like to draw your attention to the fact the katana isn't exotic.

Oh right, forgot about that.

So give it the uncommon trait instead, as the katana, and maybe deadly and otherwise its a shortsword.

[K1]

I do agree with wheldrake.

I suggest also to use the katana stats.

You will simply need to be proficient in katana, without altering any stat ( because you won't be using it with 2 hands, you won't also have to remove the 2h propriety ).

Replacing the monk katar is simply an exploit.

[Zapp]

Wheldrake wrote:

It seems more to me like a player trying to bluff his way into adding additional cool weapon properties when nothing in the weapons list is cool enough for him.

But hey, if it works for you in your home game, go for it!

That's not the case. The adventure I'm converting features a wakisashi, so I went looking in the CRB and didn't find one. (Since I haven't got very heartening advice I'm probably going to end up making that weapon a katana, so I can avoid homebrew at this early stage, but I'm still interested in a "official adjacent" wakisashi)

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You could also just make it a katana with a one-step reduction in the damage die.

If you mean you reduce the damage die... and you reduce the deadly die... what makes this easier than starting off with a weapon of the correct damage die from the start?

I mean, the damage die defines the overall nature of a weapon, mainly its size (two-handed, one-handed, sidearm, knife).

But if what you're suggesting is chiefly just another way of getting to the same end result (a martial uncommon d4 deadly d6 pierce versatile S weapon)... then its semantics.

[Zapp]

Claxon wrote:

Oh right, forgot about that.

So give it the uncommon trait instead, as the katana, and maybe deadly and otherwise its a shortsword.

Actually, the devil is in the details, so it's best to offer carefully calibrated advice.

Sorry, but shooting from the hip doesn't get me where I want to be - I looked at the shortsword but quickly found it unsuitable as the basis for the wakisashi - put simply, a shortsword is as good as a katana, and we're trying to create the sidearm to the katana, not a competitor.

In my mind the wakisashi needs to relate to a shortsword in the way a katana relates to a longsword.

In the absence of official wakisashi stats I'd like to select an existing weapon and reskin it. If that's not possible I would like to select the existing weapon that allows me the least number of modifications.

But I concede one point - the katar is simple, and a martial weapon like the wakisashi probably deserves at least one extra property.

Thank you.

[Qaianna]

I'd start with a shortsword, drop it to d4, keep it piercing and slashing, and add Uncommon and Deadly D6. Cost 18sp (katana is twice as much as longsword, and shortswords are 9sp). I don't know if they were effective as parrying weapons; if so, reskin a main-gauche.