Illusionary Disguise vs Humanoid Form


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Illusionary Disguise
Humanoid Form

What's up with Humanoid Form? It's a shorter (10 min vs 1hour) version of Illusionary Disguise that might give some advantage in rare circumstances (somebody is actually touching you)?

Yet it is a full level higher. Why would you ever take it as a general purpose spell?


Wildshaping druids get Blah Form spells (or their effects, anyway); they don't get illusions.


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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Wildshaping druids get Blah Form spells (or their effects, anyway); they don't get illusions.

Lets make a copy of a spell in Core Rulebook just so we can give Druids a bit more? And lets make it weaker so they are not too strong?


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OH! I get it!

You're not looking for answers to any of these "questions." You're just looking to be snippy.

Hope you're entertaining yourself adequately.


One is a transmutation spell that heightens to allow physical abilities: at higher levels it gives low-light/darkvision/large size.

The other is an illusion, and is a better disguise and gets better as it's heightened: appear as any creature of the same size, even a specific individual and also disguises your voice and scent.

The difference in level is most likely because it's easier to see through an illusion [there are anti-illusion abilities/spells] and the the other spells gives physical abilities and combat abilities when heightened. They really are different is you give them a good look.


graystone wrote:

One is a transmutation spell that heightens to allow physical abilities: at higher levels it gives low-light/darkvision/large size.

The other is an illusion, and is a better disguise and gets better as it's heightened: appear as any creature of the same size, even a specific individual and also disguises your voice and scent.

The difference in level is most likely because it's easier to see through an illusion [there are anti-illusion abilities/spells] and the the other spells gives physical abilities and combat abilities when heightened. They really are different is you give them a good look.

It is easier to see through illusion, but the can already be account in difference in duration.

As for additional abilities, it requires you to use a higher slot, not just be higher level. As such, it is almost never useful, because these bonuses are far too weak for those slots.


NemoNoName wrote:
It is easier to see through illusion, but the can already be account in difference in duration.

The people that created the spells clearly disagree with you.

NemoNoName wrote:
As for additional abilities, it requires you to use a higher slot, not just be higher level. As such, it is almost never useful, because these bonuses are far too weak for those slots.

Then don't take them: I assumed you were asking the question why they were different. The heightened forms are part of why. Again, if you don't like it, don't take them.


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Humanoid Form lets you change size. It's hard to pretend to be a goblin when you're too damn tall.

Humanoid form lets you infiltrate when there are dogs. The illusion doesn't change your scent.

Humanoid form makes you sound like an orc. The illusion has to be heightened. At which point it's the same level.

If the orc babe flirtatiously swats you on the arm and you aren't wearing an illusion, she won't automatically notice that you are a scrawny wizard – rather than the manly orc she expected.


She won't notice it then, but will when it expires couple of minutes after that, and you turn back into a scrawny Wizard.

Also, you cannot sneak past dogs because while your scent isn't yours anymore, it's just generic Orc and dogs will react to stranger.

Similar for sound; it only gives you Orc throat. You'd still need to pass a Deception check, and spell doesn't give you any bonuses to that check explicitly, so it's highly up to GM.


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Aservan wrote:
If the orc babe flirtatiously swats you on the arm and you aren't wearing an illusion, she won't automatically notice that you are a scrawny wizard – rather than the manly orc she expected.

Actually, if you're manly she will notice something is wrong for sure. You should be orcly.

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