Are Giants (the creature type) Humanoids too, by default?

[Lucas Yew]

If so, why does the <Creatures by Type> section in the Bestiary's pg.348~349 not include them?

If not, why do their individual stat blocks include the Humanoid trait (and every single one, as of now)?

By the way, no other "creature type" Traits have this issue, they only share "subtypes", not the bigger category...

[Staffan Johansson]

Lucas Yew wrote:

If so, why does the <Creatures by Type> section in the Bestiary's pg.348~349 not include them?

If not, why do their individual stat blocks include the Humanoid trait (and every single one, as of now)?

By the way, no other "creature type" Traits have this issue, they only share "subtypes", not the bigger category...

There is no creature type trait in PF2. There are just traits, some of which serve more or less the same purpose as creature types in PF1. The Giant trait is defined as "Giants are massive humanoid creatures.", so yes, all* giants are humanoids.

This is not a PF2 change. Pathfinder 1 changed Giant from being its own creature type into being a humanoid subtype - that was one of its changes from D&D.

* Until they make one who isn't.

[thenobledrake]

The creature type Giant does not mandate that all giants to ever exist also be humanoids.

It just happens to be that the ones currently presented are humanoid in nature.

[Captain Morgan]

Trolls are Giants but not humanoids.

[Lucas Yew]

Captain Morgan wrote:

Trolls are Giants but not humanoids.

Good catch! Now this is why I love the forums so much despite all things hazardous...

[Deadmanwalking]

Captain Morgan wrote:

Trolls are Giants but not humanoids.

In PF1 all Giants were, in fact Humanoid rather than their own creature type. Based on the Knowledge table it seems likely that this intended to continue, or at least like there's always intended to be another creature type involved.

So I suspect this is simply an error.

[Captain Morgan]

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Captain Morgan wrote:

Trolls are Giants but not humanoids.

In PF1 all Giants were, in fact Humanoid rather than their own creature type. Based on the Knowledge table it seems likely that this intended to continue, or at least like there's always intended to be another creature type involved.

So I suspect this is simply an error.

Indeed, I forgot to mention that this left them without an ID skill. Though personally I like the idea of making them Giants with the beast classification, as they are pretty beasty Boyz.

[Deadmanwalking]

Captain Morgan wrote:

Indeed, I forgot to mention that this left them without an ID skill. Though personally I like the idea of making them Giants with the beast classification, as they are pretty beasty Boyz.

This seems very possible.