So I have this question about the Canny Acumen feat.
As a working hypothesis, let us assume I play a sorcerer and choose this feat before level 5 to increase my Fortitude saving throw proficiency rank to Expert. At level 5 the sorcerer gets the Magical Fortitude ability which gives them Expert rank to Fortitude saving throws. If you already are Expert (having taken the Canny Acumen feat) what happens then? Do you get to increase the corresponding saving throw to Master? And what happens at level 17 in which the Canny Acumen lets you increase the saving throw to Master? Do you get to increase it to Legendary instead?
Thanks for your input.
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It's a useless feat if your class granted saving throw is equal to or higher than the value Canny Acumen grants. The smart thing to do is retrain the feat when it stops/starts being useful.
It's a useless feat if your class granted saving throw is equal to or higher than the value Canny Acumen grants. The smart thing to do is retrain the feat when it stops/starts being useful.
So what you you say is that this feat doesn't stack with the class abilities that grant you increases to saving throws and perception. It would seem logical though for them to stack, I mean can you actually train a feat and then retrain to another when the first one seems useless? Can you point me to the rule book page that clarifies that?
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It's a useless feat if your class granted saving throw is equal to or higher than the value Canny Acumen grants. The smart thing to do is retrain the feat when it stops/starts being useful.So what you you say is that this feat doesn't stack with the class abilities that grant you increases to saving throws and perception. It would seem logical though for them to stack, I mean can you actually train a feat and then retrain to another when the first one seems useless? Can you point me to the rule book page that clarifies that?
It definitely doesn't stack, it gives you a set proficiency. If that proficiency isn't better than your class proficiency, too bad, it doesn't do anything.
You can always retrain feats for any reasons, GM determinations on trainers/research sources permitting. For general feats I don't think it makes any sense to require a trainer to teach you anything. Check the downtime rules.
It definitely doesn't stack, it gives you a set proficiency. If that proficiency isn't better than your class proficiency, too bad, it doesn't do anything.
While I do think that this is 100% correct, I also think a precise ruling is absent in the CRB. The respective explanation is given for skills, however unless I am entirely mistaken proficiencies are not skills.
Its a pity that we have the designation "proficiency levels", which I reckon works the same for skills and proficiencies, however has a huge potential for mix-ups (armor and weapon proficiencies vs proficiency levels).
Rogues for example don't get Expert fortitude before level 9, so they get more mileage out of it, but they too would want to train out of the feat then. Which the rules explicitly allow.
The point is, for a number of levels you are 10% less likely to fail a potentially live-ending saving throw. That is not nothing...
All proficiencies do opperate under the same set of rules. There is no mechanical difference between the way a skill proficiency works and a saving throw or armor proficiency works. The only thing really unique about skill proficiencies is that they have more flexibility in when they can be increased than other proficiencies.
The only time you increase a proficiency to a new level is if the feat or ability that granted the increase tells you that it increases and tells you what level it increases to.
I have a different question about Canny Acumen: when a saving throw normally goes from Expert to Master, you also get the additional (success=critical success) ability. Does Canny Acumen also grant that ability at 17th level when it improves the save to Master? Or does it just provide a +2?
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I have a different question about Canny Acumen: when a saving throw normally goes from Expert to Master, you also get the additional (success=critical success) ability. Does Canny Acumen also grant that ability at 17th level when it improves the save to Master? Or does it just provide a +2?
Just the +2. Those abilities come from the text of the named abilities
And nothing in the feat description say you get that other benefit. And there isn't a "general" rule that means Master proficiency provides that
I have a different question about Canny Acumen: when a saving throw normally goes from Expert to Master, you also get the additional (success=critical success) ability. Does Canny Acumen also grant that ability at 17th level when it improves the save to Master? Or does it just provide a +2?Just the +2. Those abilities come from the text of the named abilities
And nothing in the feat description say you get that other benefit. And there isn't a "general" rule that means Master proficiency provides that
That's what I thought, but I was hoping that there was something which I had missed that said otherwise. Thanks for the reply!