I'm debating on whether I want to spend a feat to get ki powers for my monk, but I can't seem to figure out a couple of things. The ki build monk that's in the core book recommends having a high wisdom, but I can't find anything that makes wisdom even necessary for ki powers. Unless it has something to do with the tradition you choose to take, divine or occult, because I can't figure out what those do either.
Monks become trained in Divine/Occult Spell Attacks and Spell DCs when they select a Ki Spell.
I also wondered whether Wisdom or the Monk's Key Ability Score was used to calculate those in this thread here.
TL;DR
Wisdom is used to calculate Monk Spell attacks and spell DCs.
K-kun the Insane wrote: Wisdom is used to calculate Monk Spell attacks and spell DCs. What this means is that if you pick powers that don't need Spell attacks and spell DCs, you don't need wisdom for ki powers. So Abundant Step no wis needed but ki blast, you'll want it.
The only powers you will currently want wisdom for seem to be Ki Blast and Quivering Palm. Nothing else requires an enemy to save against your DC.
Wild Winds Stance is a bit funky, at least to me, because it is classified as a spell, but says that you make a ranged attack with the wind crash unarmed strikes. I'm inclined to think that means you use your Dex to hit rather than your Wis, but I could also see an argument being made for needing to actually use a spell attack roll and the language of the power simply being blurry.
Wouldn't you use INT if you chose Occultism?
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No, it's still wisdom.
Note that the occult casters are not INT based, either, and I don't think there's an expectation that the skill Stat and casting Stat must match.
Perpdepog wrote: The only powers you will currently want wisdom for seem to be Ki Blast and Quivering Palm. Nothing else requires an enemy to save against your DC. Out of the Ki-fuelled powers, you mean.
Stunning Strike (the level 2 Monk feat) does require an enemy to save against your DC. Your class DC, that is.
Zapp wrote: Perpdepog wrote: The only powers you will currently want wisdom for seem to be Ki Blast and Quivering Palm. Nothing else requires an enemy to save against your DC. Out of the Ki-fuelled powers, you mean.
Stunning Strike (the level 2 Monk feat) does require an enemy to save against your DC. Your class DC, that is. Given that the title of the thread is "Monk ki powers and wisdom," I felt that was something people would infer, yes.
And actually I missed one, because Wholeness of Body also uses your wisdom to help boost the counteract check. There are the Houses of Perfection powers now too but they hadn't been released yet.
For people coming from D&D 5E, it's easy to get confused.
(Stunning Strike in PF2 is not a Ki power, and thus uses a DC based on Strength or Dexterity, and not Wisdom)
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