Retry Feint


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The Feint say:

"You can also use Bluff to feint in combat, causing your opponent to be denied his Dexterity bonus to his AC against your next attack. The DC of this check is equal to 10 + your opponent’s base attack bonus + your opponent’s Wisdom modifier. If your opponent is trained in Sense Motive, the DC is instead equal to 10 + your opponent’s Sense Motive bonus, if higher".

Is any modifier applied (The lie is unlikely, ...)?
At Retry say: Yes. You can attempt to feint against someone again if you fail.

But the Bluff say:
"You can attempt to feign harmlessness to the same target again, but each previous failed check increases the DC to convince your target by 5. This increase resets after 1 hour has passed."

is The feint DC increased at a fail?

Thanks


Feinting isn't feigning harmlessness. The sentence mentioning that does not apply to feinting, nor do any modifiers relating to lies for the same reason.

Grand Lodge

There are three main uses of bluff, all independent of each other.

The first is to lie convincingly. Any modifiers that give a bonus/penalty for "bluff to lie" only affects this first use. It's usually used in social interactions and allows for retrying. There usually isn't a DC to meet with this (though some written scenarios will have them) but instead use the person's Sense Motive roll to oppose your bluff check.

The second is to pass a secret message to specific people. There is a flat DC to succeed to pass the message (15 I believe) and other people in the room can attempt a sense motive check opposed to your bluff result to get a hunch a message was passed. bonuses/penalties to "bluff to pass a message" or "bluff to pass a secret message" only affect this second use.

The third is to feint. This is a standard action (without feat or ability investments) that uses your bluff bonus vs a DC of 10+BAB+Wis or 10+sense motive bonus. Bonuses/penalties to "Bluff to feint" only affects this third option, not the others.

All flat bonuses to bluff "+5 circumstance bonus to Bluff checks" for example apply to all uses of the skill, including feinting.

Bluff to feign harmlessness is an optional rule from the giant hunter player companion, and is a different use from the other bluff checks. The retry you quoted is for that specific purpose only.

The DC to feint is not increased on a failure.


Thanks!!

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