Kasatha Religion and the Entropy of the Vanguard


General Discussion


The Cycle: Introduced to the Pact Worlds by the kasathas, the
philosophy of the solarians teaches that existence is an endless
cycle. Stars are born, die, and are born again, alternately bringing
life to the universe and destroying it. The balance of the cosmos
rests on the Cycle, and it connects everything in the universe.

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One of my players wanted to play a Kasatha vanguard. And he wanted to choose the cycle as a faith. Would the cycle include entropy in it's belief system? Inquiring mind wants to know.


Absolutely. Entropy is simply the tendency of systems to progress towards a less orderly state. In a more metaphysical view, entropy is progression towards an inevitable end. Entropy is a part of the cycle the kasatha believe in. Indeed, entropy is the ultimate balancing force, undoing anything that would cause imbalance. I can easily imagine a vanguard believing in the Cycle.


Given if there was no entropy, there would be no stellar radiation, it makes sense to me.

In fact, without entropy things simply do not change. Thus, in order for a cycle of birth and death to exist, entropy needs to exist.


Of course, it resembles hinduism which contains the same belief about the endless cycle of birth and destruction. Shiva is the god which brings destruction, but he is worshipped by millions and considered absolutely essential. Without destruction there can be no rebirth.

A vanguard might consider his powers an essential evil, or not evil at all but as inevitable as aging.


Well I hope the Cycle isn’t so scientifically illiterate as to believe in an endless cycle. Surely they know that’s not the case, they just worship the birth and death of stars knowing that heat death is eventually going to win out.


The birth and death of stars is just one part of the Cycle, merely being the Cycle on a cosmic scale. It is more the end and renewal of everything, birth, death, rebirth. As someone mentioned, it is similar to Hinduism with the endless cycle of creation and destruction.

In terms of its scientific validity, it's a bit hard to critique the feasibility of it when it's in a universe with literal magic and countless scientifically impossible or implausible elements. Besides, the heat death of the universe isn't necessarily the end of all things, merely one hypothesis out of many.


Xenocrat wrote:
Well I hope the Cycle isn’t so scientifically illiterate as to believe in an endless cycle. Surely they know that’s not the case, they just worship the birth and death of stars knowing that heat death is eventually going to win out.

In our solely scientific universe yes. But in a cosmos with deities who can make and destroy stars at a whim? Maybe not.

Got to remember that Starfinder has magic and deities as well as Science. So all our laws of the universe do not 100% transfer over to Starfinder. Or at least have a lot of end around options.


Xenocrat wrote:
Well I hope the Cycle isn’t so scientifically illiterate as to believe in an endless cycle. Surely they know that’s not the case, they just worship the birth and death of stars knowing that heat death is eventually going to win out.

Heat death comes from infinite expansion, which is greatly dependant of universe gravitational force against its force of expansion. The Big Crunch theory should be perfectly valid in another universe with a different expansion rate. So, nothing states that Starfinder universe can't be in a Big Bang/Big Crunch infinite cycle. And that's without godly influence.


Guys, Groetus exists. Even in this magical universe, they know existence (let alone the Material Plane) isn’t forever, unless they’re delusional. Which most of you mortals are.


If you read a bit more about Groetus, you'll realize that the end of the world is not the end of everything (which is more Rovagug's portfolio), but may just be the beginning of something else.
Groetus can be understood as a god of cycles.


SuperBidi wrote:

If you read a bit more about Groetus, you'll realize that the end of the world is not the end of everything (which is more Rovagug's portfolio), but may just be the beginning of something else.

Groetus can be understood as a god of cycles.

If it follows the history of the current cosmology and multiverse, however, there will be a hard break between the current cycle and any future rebooted existence. The material plane and star cycles didn't exist for some immense amount of time in the current iteration of existence.

If they think their particular Cycle is eternal, they're wrong. But I suspect several of the gods are similarly delusional about their long term prospects. Asmodeus probably really believes in the possibility of success for his plots to take over the whole cosmology and somehow avert the inevitable.


Xenocrat wrote:
If they think their particular Cycle is eternal, they're wrong. But I suspect several of the gods are similarly delusional about their long term prospects.

God's lifecycle is shorter than planets', stars' and universes'.

Most gods will be long forgotten before a million years to pass, hence a billion.

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