Force weapons vs. DR


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I may regret opening this can of worms, but the Player Companions have introduced force weapons; for example:

PRD wrote:
Instant Weapon: You create a melee weapon sized appropriately for you from opaque force. You are considered proficient with this weapon, which acts in all ways as a masterwork weapon typical of its type. The instant weapon has hardness 20 and the same number of hit points as a typical weapon of its type. As a force effect, it can strike and damage incorporeal creatures. If the instant weapon leaves your hand at any time, the spell ends at the beginning of your next turn.

If we check many other threads, force effects bypass DR, but only because of quotes such as, "It strikes as a spell, not as a weapon, so for example, it can damage creatures that have damage reduction," (Spiritual Ally), or an argument that an alchemist's force bombs are a supernatural ability, not a weapon, and hence bypass DR.

So my ruling simply by "otherwise this spell would be even more ludicrously powerful" is, "Instant Weapon does not bypass DR."

Are there any remote regions of the rules that would contradict me?


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I don't know of any rule that states that force effects always bypass damage reduction. Spiritual weapon and spiritual ally bypass damage reduction because they have specific text stating that they do. Force bombs bypass damage reduction because they're magical effects that do damage that isn't bludgeoning, slashing, or piercing. Instant weapon (and force sword) generally create weapons that do bludgeoning, slashing, or piercing damage, and they have no text stating that they bypass damage reduction*, so damage reduction applies.

*Caveat: A force sword can bypass DR/magic and eventually DR/cold iron and DR/silver due to its enhancement bonus.


That's my take, too, so I just wanted to do due diligence and make sure I wasn't missing something.


This spell does not seem to deal force damage, which is a factor.
If it really is just "a weapon of its type", it will deal the usual damage type - and the force thing will only be for incorporeal matters.

As a comparison, a Bladebound magus can make his weapon deal force damage specifically. That would go through DR.
Instant Weapon doesn't seem to do that.

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I agree, the spell does not create a weapon that does force damage, just that the weapon itself is made of force.

Dealing damage of its normal type is fun when you look at the Battle Poi, a weapon that normally does fire damage... that can now hurt ghosts.


Also fun with things like nets or mancatchers. : D


Heh. Those fancy ghosts will never expect to be lassoed into submission.
...
And now I have this image of a rodeo cowboy playing ghost-catcher.


And I get ghostbusters with proton power wands.

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