Feat Prerequistites

[ckdragons]

Street Carnage Prerequisite(s): Str 15, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Street Style, Street Sweep, base attack bonus +8 or monk level 7th.

Can I take this feat if I'm an 7th level Monk without any of the other prerequisites?

[Daw]

Yes, as raw, but since you have to be using street style to gain any affect, just having street carnage by itself is useless.

Per the Archives of Nethys

PFS Legal Street Carnage (Combat)
Source Ultimate Intrigue pg. 92
For you, the urban environment becomes another brutal weapon you can use to shred flesh and break bones.

Prerequisites: Str 15, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Street Style, Street Sweep, base attack bonus +8 or monk level 7th.

Benefit: While using Street Style, the critical multiplier of your unarmed strikes becomes ×3, instead of ×2.

[avr]

Depends how you parse it. I read it as 'Str 15, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Street Style, Street Sweep, (base attack bonus +8 or monk level 7th).'

[Daw]

You are presuming a semicolon after street sweep that isn't there. I don't have the book around so I can't tell if the archives left it out.

You still have to be able to use street style to use the feat, so there is an effective prerequisite.

[Jared Walter 356]

I would agree with Avr's reading.
The lack of a comma after base attack +8 indicates that the one prereq is base attack +8 or monk level 7.
It does not read to me that you can bypass all the other prereqs just because you are a monk 7. Only that you can replace base attack.

If the intention was a 7th level monk can bypass all the others, I would have expected that under special

something like: A 7th level monk may select this feat even without meeting the prereq.

[Daw]

The lack of a comma there is the default for American English grammar. Adding your clause to clarify each such instance adds to word count, takes extra space and thus costs more money to print; all for little benefit to many if not most rules readers.

[Jared Walter 356]

Daw wrote:

The lack of a comma there is the default for American English grammar. Adding your clause to clarify each such instance adds to word count, takes extra space and thus costs more money to print; all for little benefit to many if not most rules readers.

You're reading would typically require a semi-colon after base attack +8, to separate two clauses. This is where the oxford coma would have added tons of clarity.

I understand the concept of word count, but I don't think the intention here is to allow monks to bypass all the prereqs. They could have accomplished the clarity without word count by saying: Monk level 7th; or everything else. Without even 1 extra character.

They have in core rulebook used the special section for lots of things of similar function even for things as basic as armor proficiency where they spell out classes that get it for free.

Stunning fist is a prime example. They usually add word count to add clarity if they think it's needed. Obviously they didn't think it was needed here.

I understand what you're saying, but I still think your interpretation of the sentence doesn't match either RAW or RAI. Nor does it match what they usually do.

Wish you all the best in your Gaming and GMing, but I don't think we will agree on this point.

[Daw]

To be clear, I think this is a typo, I don't have the original text. By the most "correct" reading, possessing any one of the list of prerequisites is enough to get the feat. RW lawyers make huge sacks of money when they find such wording in legal documents. I suspect you and AVR are reading what they intended, it is closer to standard, and makes more sense to me, but as RAW....

^_^. Bad proofreader, no cookies for you.

[Derklord]

According to my spreadsheet, there are over 130 feats with prerequisites containing ", or", while feats with a singular "or" almost alw<ys have somthing like "half-orc or orc" or "Small size or smaller".

Pathfinder uses the american english norm of seperating all entries in a list by a comma, which means that "base attack bonus +8 or monk level 7th" is a single entry and you still need all the other prereqs.