Polymorph Familiar and Soulswitch


Rules Questions


If I were to cast polymorph familiar (giving my familiar the shape of a large magical beast) and then I cast soulswitch, would the polymorph familiar spell continue to function on my familiar's body while I control it?


I don't see a reason why this wouldn't work. Both spells target your familiar and your familiar is still your familiar regardless of it's current creature type or form. IMO it doesn't make sense for the polymorph effect to "follow" the soul of the familiar. If a DM wants to be harsh they could rule that since the targeting is no longer valid then the effect immedately ends, but i haven't seen anything in the rules regarding polymorph spells that this happens.

That being said, soulswitch is subject to the same rules as magic jar and so you may not have access to all of your familiar's abilities. If it has any extraordinary or supernatural abilities you wouldn't be able to use them.


LordKailas wrote:

I don't see a reason why this wouldn't work. Both spells target your familiar and your familiar is still your familiar regardless of it's current creature type or form.

That being said, soulswitch is subject to the same rules as magic jar and so you may not have access to all of your familiar's abilities. So if it has any extraordinary or supernatural abilities you wouldn't be able to use them.

That's fine.

So either using the above example, or simply (If) casting beast shape on myself after switching bodies with soulswitch:

What would happen if I then cast "merge with familiar" while I was controlling the (large) familiar's body and he was in mine? Would my human body get sucked into the familiar's body that I am controlling?


I guess the real question is whether the spell is attached to the creature's body or the creature's soul. I don't think there is an official answer on that.


Greedeye wrote:
What would happen if I then cast "merge with familiar" while I was controlling the (large) familiar's body and he was in mine? Would my original body get sucked into the familiar's body that I am controlling?

If you were to cast merge with familiar while soul switched, then It does seem like your body with the familiar's soul would be absorbed into your body.


Melkiador wrote:
Greedeye wrote:
What would happen if I then cast "merge with familiar" while I was controlling the (large) familiar's body and he was in mine? Would my original body get sucked into the familiar's body that I am controlling?
If you were to cast merge with familiar while soul switched, then It does seem like your body with the familiar's soul would be absorbed into your body.

Sounds pretty interesting. That's what i'm thinking as well, just wanted to check if there was anything glaring I was missing!


Greedeye wrote:

That's fine.

So either using the above example, or simply casting beast shape on myself after switching bodies with soulswitch:

What would happen if I then cast "merge with familiar" while I was controlling the (large) familiar's body and he was in mine? Would my original body get sucked into the familiar's body that I am controlling?

Well, if you cast polymorph familiar and then soulswitch I don't think merge with familiar would work because at that point your familiar would be larger then you. This is because polymorph familiar only turns your familiar into a small creature even when it functions as beastshape IV. Unless you were a tiny creature or smaller at the time of casting soulswitch.

If you cast soulswitch and then beastshape. Your original body would be able to be absorbed by the new and improved familiar's body so long as the form that you took using beast shape is a size category larger then your original body.


LordKailas wrote:
Greedeye wrote:

That's fine.

So either using the above example, or simply casting beast shape on myself after switching bodies with soulswitch:

What would happen if I then cast "merge with familiar" while I was controlling the (large) familiar's body and he was in mine? Would my original body get sucked into the familiar's body that I am controlling?

Well, if you cast polymorph familiar and then soulswitch I don't think merge with familiar would work because at that point your familiar would be larger then you. This is because polymorph familiar only turns your familiar into a small creature even when it functions as beastshape IV. Unless you were a tiny creature or smaller at the time of casting soulswitch.

If you cast soulswitch and then beastshape. Your original body would be able to be absorbed by the new and improved familiar's body so long as the form that you took using beast shape is a size category larger then your original body.

I misread polymorph familiar, so thank you for bringing that to my attention. I thought it functioned exactly the same as beast shape and didnt notice the "small animal" stipulation.

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