Empower metamagic and added dmg from feats or a bard buddy

[CivMaster]

so i have been looking for information on what bonuses to dice rolls empower effects.

it definitly effects the inherent bonuses, but what about if i have flame blade dervish for my flame blade?

do i get 1.5 cha to dmg now? due to empower effecting it.
would i increase the dmg part of inspire courage?

[willuwontu]

I would say no.

empower wrote:

All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by half including bonuses to those dice rolls.

Those are not effects of the spell, so they shouldn't be increased. Though one could argue that they are bonuses to those dice rolls, and should be.

[Ravingdork]

Not sure about your specific example, but in general damage bonuses are increased be Empower Spell. This ha been clarified by developers a few times before, if I'm not mostaken.

[willuwontu]

Ravingdork wrote:

Not sure about your specific example, but in general damage bonuses are increased be Empower Spell. This ha been clarified by developers a few times before, if I'm not mostaken.

I believe they are wondering how Flame blade dervish interacts with empower spell. The damage of the weapon is definitely a variable numeric effect of the spell and thus gets multiplied by 1.5.

However, what bonuses to that effect get multiplied?

Just the ones from the spell?
-This would be just the 1d8 + caster level (max 10) getting multiplied.

Other bonuses as well?
-Seems like the str bonus from using it as a melee weapon as well as stuff like PA would get multiplied along the the Cha bonus from the feat. On the other hand, denying these bonuses from being multiplied seems to imply that the bonus damage from sorc bloodlines and the elemental overflow ability of a kineticist wouldn't be multiplied by empower as well (for kineticist, from metakenisis).