Alchemist's Full Pouch Oil?

[Eoni]

I'm aware of the ruling that Alchemists can only use extracts with a range of personal or creature and that Full Pouch is only on the list so they can use a wand of it but can an Alchemist craft an Oil of Full Pouch? It fits all of the potion/oil crafting specifications but I just wanted to be sure since I'm planning on making a crafting heavy Alchemist.

[Darrell Impey UK]

It's entirely within the rules...

[blahpers]

Yup, go nuts. It'd have to be a pretty expensive alchemical item you're duplicating to be worth the cost, though.

[Eoni]

Thanks for the quick reply! I wasn't sure since technically Alchemists can't cast Full Pouch and I didn't know if that extended to crafting. I'm mostly looking to take advantage of the higher DC it gives to items to make them more viable at higher levels.

[blahpers]

I see; that might actually be worth doing in some situations, then.

A word of caution, though: remember that your casting stat isn't used when you use an oil (or wand, for that matter), so the DC won't be as high as it would be if you could "cast" the spell yourself--it'll use the minimum casting stat required to cast the spell involved.

[Eoni]

Oh! I didn't factor that in. I was hoping to take advantage of the Hybridization Funnel and Full Pouch. Are there any ways to raise item dc?

[thistledown]

There is much debate on it, which you can search for, but Alchemists CAN cast Full Pouch.

[blahpers]

thistledown wrote:

There is much debate on it, which you can search for, but Alchemists CAN cast Full Pouch.

Cite?

[Darrell Impey UK]

The spell has "item touched" as the target, so it's a no-go, surely? Now, if it was target self and then you touched something, then it would work.

[Joesi]

Darrell Impey UK wrote:

The spell has "item touched" as the target, so it's a no-go, surely? Now, if it was target self and then you touched something, then it would work.

Well considering that extracts are consumed in a manner similar to potions (as stated in the rules), one could rule/interpret that it works like applying an potion (oil) to an object. In fact, because people seem to be agreeing that an alchemist could create an oil/potion of this (from a wand, but still), it only makes sense that it could then also be used as an alchemist extract as well, no? (at the least with Infusion discovery, but I'd say that should not be necessary)

There's also the issue of having a swift cast time, but considering that the spell doesn't explicitly require the item to be consumed immediately after casting, it would still be usable as a standard action.

I think the main thing that needs to be done with this spell is to limit the duration of the duplicated item to between 1 rd per CL and 1 hr per CL, or just a flat 1 "day" or 24 hours. That, even "must be consumed by the end of the next round" (although I feel like this option makes the spell too weak; it's already quite weak to trade a level 2 spell for an alchemical item. Except perhaps for a sorcerer? since they don't know many spells, but would they even bother to learn this with their limited spell knowledge?)

A spell like Absorbing Touch specifically only exists for alchemists yet targets an object. Are we supposed to believe that alchemists cannot make extracts of this spell? It's clearly just a problem with some details that need to be worked through to get it to work as intended. Now not everyone may use the same method to get there, but usually there shouldn't be too much variance in the overall outcome regardless of the method used.

[Cevah]

Cast it from a staff, and you get to use your DC.

/cevah