Speculative weapons. What do we think missing weapons would look like in 2e?

[thecutter0]

I was wanting to create a tonfa fighter only to see that it wasn't one of the relatively few weapons made at this point. Considering that exotic weapons are rather few I wasn't surprised but I thought maybe we could play a fun game of weapon speculation. Simply we post a basic idea of how a weapon would work in 2e and we critique and then we move to another weapon and continue. I'll go first with the tonfas I wanted that began this thought path.

Uncommon Martial

Name cost damage bulk hands group weapon traits
Tonfa 10sp 1d6b L 1 club agile, parry, monk

[Edge93]

thecutter0 wrote:

I was wanting to create a tonfa fighter only to see that it wasn't one of the relatively few weapons made at this point. Considering that exotic weapons are rather few I wasn't surprised but I thought maybe we could play a fun game of weapon speculation. Simply we post a basic idea of how a weapon would work in 2e and we critique and then we move to another weapon and continue. I'll go first with the tonfas I wanted that began this thought path.

Uncommon Martial

Name cost damage bulk hands group weapon traits
Tonfa 10sp 1d6b L 1 club agile, parry, monk

That looks about right for the Tonfa, I agree. Though as a d6 martial weapon it should have one additional trait. Not sure what though. Does Finesse fit a Tonfa? Or maybe one of the combat maneuver traits?

Myself I like the idea of Firearms eventually coming in, targeting TAC (Since that's a much weaker advantage than in PF1) but misfiring on a crit fail, something like Pistol 20 ft. d6 Fatal d10 Reload 1 and Musket 40 ft. d8 Fatal d12 Reload 1? I think the misfire, shorter range, reload, and lack of 1/2 Str to damage altogether is enough to balance them against bows, but if not then maybe they could have the Volley trait like Longbows? Not a huge fan of Volley though. While the concept is cool there are just too many small maps I think. (Though guns would have a short volley range, 1/2 or 1/4 their already short range increment)

I'd like to see the Falcata make a return as NOT the ultimate min-maxer's weapon. Maybe Exotic 1-Handed, 1d8, Sweep and Deadly d10?

[thecutter0]

Edge93 wrote:

thecutter0 wrote:

I was wanting to create a tonfa fighter only to see that it wasn't one of the relatively few weapons made at this point. Considering that exotic weapons are rather few I wasn't surprised but I thought maybe we could play a fun game of weapon speculation. Simply we post a basic idea of how a weapon would work in 2e and we critique and then we move to another weapon and continue. I'll go first with the tonfas I wanted that began this thought path.

Uncommon Martial

Name cost damage bulk hands group weapon traits
Tonfa 10sp 1d6b L 1 club agile, parry, monk

That looks about right for the Tonfa, I agree. Though as a d6 martial weapon it should have one additional trait. Not sure what though. Does Finesse fit a Tonfa? Or maybe one of the combat maneuver traits?

Myself I like the idea of Firearms eventually coming in, targeting TAC (Since that's a much weaker advantage than in PF1) but misfiring on a crit fail, something like Pistol 20 ft. d6 Fatal d10 Reload 1 and Musket 40 ft. d8 Fatal d12 Reload 1? I think the misfire, shorter range, reload, and lack of 1/2 Str to damage altogether is enough to balance them against bows, but if not then maybe they could have the Volley trait like Longbows? Not a huge fan of Volley though. While the concept is cool there are just too many small maps I think. (Though guns would have a short volley range, 1/2 or 1/4 their already short range increment)

I'd like to see the Falcata make a return as NOT the ultimate min-maxer's weapon. Maybe Exotic 1-Handed, 1d8, Sweep and Deadly d10?

I'm going to admit that I don't really know what to do for guns, but finesse does look like a good addition to the tonfas.

As for falcata, I'd say sweep yes deadly yes, but I don't think a d8 nor exotic, as it is a weapon from the area. Uncommon martial and d6? It is closer to a dagger in size so I would say maybe finesse or agile.

[Edge93]

Huh, didn't know about the size. I was just going off the PF1 description I remembered which made it sound like a sword with the heft of an axe.

[thecutter0]

Edge93 wrote:

Huh, didn't know about the size. I was just going off the PF1 description I remembered which made it sound like a sword with the heft of an axe.

I'll admit that I didn't know the blade before I looked it up, but honestly it looks like a smaller kukri, which are much bigger than they're depicted. Makes me wonder if someone got them mixed up and no one felt like letting them know.

[Edge93]

Wouldn't mind seeing the Orc Skull Ram as a 2H Uncommin Martial with 1d10, Shove, and Forceful or something like that. Though we already have an Orc weapon with forceful so IDK.