While I am using "shot on the Run" can I throw a grenade as my ranged attack? Reasons for why one would not be allowed to for clarification purposes.
From what I can tell, a Grenade is a Thrown Weapon, using the "Thrown attack" rules, which are not the "ranged attack" rules. And Shot on the run applies to Ranged Attacks, not 'Thrown Attacks' so I don't think so, no.
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While I am using "shot on the Run" can I throw a grenade as my ranged attack? Reasons for why one would not be allowed to for clarification purposes.From what I can tell, a Grenade is a Thrown Weapon, using the "Thrown attack" rules, which are not the "ranged attack" rules. And Shot on the run applies to Ranged Attacks, not 'Thrown Attacks' so I don't think so, no.
So grenade launchers would work?
Ehhh.. I think you should include the description of Shot on the Run. It gives you the clarification you need for the answer to this.
"Shot on the Run (Combat)
You can move, fire a ranged weapon, and move again before your foes can react."
Grenades aren't 'ranged' weapons. They are 'thrown' weapons.
According to rules as written, then no.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
If I were a GM, I would allow it as there's no advantage in using a grenade as opposed to a ranged weapon.
Talk to your GM. I don't see this as being a big deal.
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I agree with ghostunderasheet. Just to copy and paste into the thread:
Ranged Attacks
When making a ranged attack, you use a ranged weapon to shoot
at an opponent from a distance. If you’re attacking with a thrown
weapon, your ranged attack bonus equals your base attack
bonus (determined by your class and level; see Chapter 4) + your
Strength modifier. Otherwise, your attack bonus for a ranged
attack equals your base attack bonus + your Dexterity modifier.
I mean, if you're ruling thrown weapons aren't a ranged attack, I can chuck grenades or starknives all day without provoking from melee, which also doesn't make any sense.
Considering thrown weapons are under 'ranged attack' getting stuck on the difference between a 'ranged weapon' and a 'thrown weapon' seems silly.
Shot on the run maybe should have said 'make a ranged attack' instead of 'attack with a ranged weapon'.
Besides, tossing a grenade down a hallway as you run by isn't game breaking.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
You've clearly never thrown a grenade.
You've clearly never thrown a grenade.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
Clearly you presume a great deal without knowing. I have, in fact, thrown a grenade, yes a live one, at a hotex at Fort Benning. I've also hit a tank at a mile out with a .50 cal Barrett sniper rifle.
I have many friends in the military and they will all tell you the same thing about grenades. You don't throw one and then stand there to watch it detonate. You get behind cover immediately. You also don't pull the pin and release the lever until you are ready to throw. Lastly this maneuver is how almost all grenades are thrown in live exercises. You step out, pull and throw, then get back in to cover. You sure as hell don't throw from the place you intend to take cover. That's grenade safety 101.
I agree with ghostunderasheet. Just to copy and paste into the thread:
I mean, if you're ruling thrown weapons aren't a ranged attack, I can chuck grenades or starknives all day without provoking from melee, which also doesn't make any sense.Ranged Attacks
When making a ranged attack, you use a ranged weapon to shoot
at an opponent from a distance. If you’re attacking with a thrown
weapon, your ranged attack bonus equals your base attack
bonus (determined by your class and level; see Chapter 4) + your
Strength modifier. Otherwise, your attack bonus for a ranged
attack equals your base attack bonus + your Dexterity modifier.
Completely agreed. The part that throws this in to question is the part that says it's a ranged weapon. Otherwise this is a no brainer. I think its just a quick check with your GM or not. Do it in a game and see if your GM says anything. If he doesn't, you are good. If he does you have a solid basis for a sound and convincing argument.
shot on the run+thrown grenade? yes or no
YES.
You've clearly never thrown a grenade.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
Clearly you presume a great deal without knowing. I have, in fact, thrown a grenade, yes a live one, at a hotex at Fort Benning. I've also hit a tank at a mile out with a .50 cal Barrett sniper rifle.
I have many friends in the military and they will all tell you the same thing about grenades. You don't throw one and then stand there to watch it detonate. You get behind cover immediately. You also don't pull the pin and release the lever until you are ready to throw. Lastly this maneuver is how almost all grenades are thrown in live exercises. You step out, pull and throw, then get back in to cover. You sure as hell don't throw from the place you intend to take cover. That's grenade safety 101.
This is impressively beside the point. Is a grenade throwing motion related to a shooting motion, such that the same feat should cover both?
You've clearly never thrown a grenade.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
i have thrown water balloons and played Airsoft before there was plastic pellets.
There are three types of triggers for a grenade as well, impact, timed fuse and pulled fuse. So you can toss one in a way that your out of the danger zone before it detonates.
Thanks, this was very funny.
This is impressively beside the point. Is a grenade throwing motion related to a shooting motion, such that the same feat should cover both?You've clearly never thrown a grenade.
That being said. That's just stupid. To think you can step out of cover, fire a weapon, and step back in to cover or move, fire, and move some more without that applying to grenades is nonsensical and ridiculous.
Clearly you presume a great deal without knowing. I have, in fact, thrown a grenade, yes a live one, at a hotex at Fort Benning. I've also hit a tank at a mile out with a .50 cal Barrett sniper rifle.
I have many friends in the military and they will all tell you the same thing about grenades. You don't throw one and then stand there to watch it detonate. You get behind cover immediately. You also don't pull the pin and release the lever until you are ready to throw. Lastly this maneuver is how almost all grenades are thrown in live exercises. You step out, pull and throw, then get back in to cover. You sure as hell don't throw from the place you intend to take cover. That's grenade safety 101.
Yes. If you can move, take aim and fire a ranged weapon, then move again. You can move, throw a grenade, then move again. The entire set of motions aren't all that different.