Greater grapple on a 6th level monk


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Hi guys, master seeking advice on rule-bending.

One of my players, who plays a monk, thinks that on the "Greater grapple" talent's prerequisites the monk level option is missing.

Rule wrote:

Greater grapple

Maintaining a grapple is second nature to you.

Prerequisites: Improved Grapple, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +6, Dex 13.

I can see where he is coming from because other talents that have "Greater grapple" as a prerequisite have "base attack bonus +9 or monk level 9" as another prerequisite.

Examples wrote:

Rapid grappler

Prerequisite: Dex 13, Greater Grapple, Improved Grapple, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +9 or monk level 9th.

So a pure monk that is aiming at both talents will have to get to level 9 to choose "greater grapple" (cause he gets to +6BAB at level 8 and has a bonus talent at level 9) and to level 10 for the talents that have "base attack bonus +9 or monk level 9th" as a prerequisite, making the latter quite useless cause even a multi-class will get to BAB +9 before he gets to lev 9 monk, and a pure monk will have the chance to pick it only at level 10.

What do you think?
Do your expert eyes see an use for that prerequisite that i don't?
Do you also think something is missing?


greater grapple is from the core rulebook. there was no 'bab or monk(\brawler etc) levels' in feat requirements then. it was implanted later on (rapid grappler is from ultimate combat for example.) to help other melee type classes without full bab.


If you absolutely must have greater grapple at 6th level, there's the tetori archetype. It's a big trade, though, going from flurry of blows to master grappler.

Edit: There's also unchained monk, which has full BAB progression.


I see.
To summarize you do not think i should allow it on a pure monk but ask the player to get an appropriate archetype to get it at that level or to wait until level 9 with his pure monk.

Thanks for the feebacks and infos.


That or rebuild it to be an unchained monk(witch is generally just better than the normal monk)

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