Are PCs utterly immune to Charm and Charming Touch?


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According to the conditions glossary in pages 320 to 324, attitudes such as hostile, unfriendly, indifferent, friendly, and helpful do not apply to PCs. The charm spell and the charming touch power operate through these attitudes. Does this mean that PCs are utterly immune to charm and charming touch?

And yet, as per the Haughty Obstinancy human ancestry feat, PCs are still susceptible to Intimidation (Coerce).

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I think that's because they push it over the "rollplay that the spell make you like the dude now" while the category are for the GM to quickly adjust how NPC reacts.

It's not really clear though.


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I could still use some input on this, because this may be relevant soon. What is actually supposed to happen when a PC fails or critically fails a saving throw against charm or charming touch?


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The one part of the Charm spell effect that the GM can enforce on a player is "It can’t act hostile toward you." That would certainly preclude any attempt to attack or otherwise harm the caster.


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David knott 242 wrote:

The one part of the Charm spell effect that the GM can enforce on a player is "It can’t act hostile toward you." That would certainly preclude any attempt to attack or otherwise harm the caster.

But does that mean "hostile" in the traditional sense of the word, or "hostile" as in the attitude, which players are not affected by?

Wording is unclear, either way.


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MaxAstro wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

The one part of the Charm spell effect that the GM can enforce on a player is "It can’t act hostile toward you." That would certainly preclude any attempt to attack or otherwise harm the caster.

But does that mean "hostile" in the traditional sense of the word, or "hostile" as in the attitude, which players are not affected by?

Wording is unclear, either way.

I would assume the traditional sense of the word, as it refers to action rather than attitude.


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But if that sentence said the creature "can't act helpful toward you", it seems like it would obviously mean the attitude...?

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