A couple of grapple questions


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So in my playtest game a couple of characters got confused, and the other PCs wanted to restrain them until they came to their senses. I read that Grapple is a usage of the Athletics skill, so I suggested that they try to do that. This led to a couple of questions:

1) Grappling only takes a single action. If you fail the grapple and try again, do you take any penalties to the roll? It seems like you ought to, similar to making attack rolls, but I didn't see anything about penalties for making the same skill check more than once a turn.

2) The confused condition states that you will attack the creature that attacked you since your last turn. Does someone grappling you count? Again, it seems like it should, but grappling isn't actually an attack, so...

3) How can you pin a creature in PF2? I see that on a critical success the creature is restrained, which is pretty much like pinned. But I don't see anything about "upgrading" a grappled creature to restrained other than by a crit on a grapple check. It seems like there ought to be a path to restraining an already grappled creature, like tying them up or something.

4) How can you move a grappled creature? I ended up letting them roll Athletics to "drag" the other PC, like a Shove but in the opposite direction. But there doesn't seem to be an explicit rule for accomplishing this. I think there probably ought to be a "Drag" or "Reposition" skill usage for Athletics that accomplishes this.


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You absolutely do take penalties to the second attempt. The grapple action has the "Attack" quality, so it counts as an attack.

Not being able to move a grabbed or restrained opponent it a pretty big shortcoming of the grappling system, hopefully they will address it.

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