Did Zon-Kuton create the Kytons?


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I have always wondered this?


The hints and rumors in Bestiary 1 leave the possibility open, but Bestiary 3 would seem to close it.

Bestiary 3 wrote:
The original kytons were born of the first truly selfish and depraved thoughts conceived by mortals. These creatures surprised and horrified the early gods with their power and hideous nature, and so the gods chained them in a remote part of Hell. The kytons embraced their chains and, seeking to fulfill their unnatural hunger for pain, escaped to the Plane of Shadow, which lay much closer to their mortal prey. Now, kytons are born of mortal souls that were spiritually and physically tortured in life, victims of their own masochism, sacrifices to gods of suffering, or those promised to the fiends either by their own will or by sadistic cultists. [...]

One could posit that ZK was secretly behind the initial conversion of mortal thoughts to kytons, but keeping it secret seems out of character for him.


The implications in Zon-Kuthon's background seem to suggest that his origins are completely separate from the Kyton's. They merely align in such a way that Kytons often serve ZK.

Personally, I like the idea that ZK is something else entirely.

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No, kytons predate Zon-Kuthon.


Perhaps they created(Corrupted) Him


CorvusMask wrote:
No, kytons predate Zon-Kuthon.

Sounds likely, but how do you know?


Do kytons revere him though? Also I noticed his herald (prince in chains) has the kyton subtype (though I assume he wasn't one originally)


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
No, kytons predate Zon-Kuthon.
Sounds likely, but how do you know?

Well it says on the wiki it was something in the dark tapestry the corrupted him but doesn't say what. (I thought maybe Nyatharlotep as he's by far the most evil of the Mythos gods.)

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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
No, kytons predate Zon-Kuthon.
Sounds likely, but how do you know?

Pretty much every source regarding Kytons, but Planar Adventures and Book of the Damned for example. Kytons were original inhabitants of kytons before they went on exodus to shadowplane when devils took it over. Only reason why kytons ally with Zon-Kuthon is because they share ideals, but otherwise they have no direct connection


Nathan Monson wrote:
Perhaps they created(Corrupted) Him

Nah, Book of the Damned says he ventured into the deep part of the abyss and was warped in the process. Kytons reside in the shadow plane.

Or that's what they want us to think...


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Pretty sure Clive Barker fandom created them both.


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Kytons predate Zon-Kuthon's transformation by quite some time. When Asmodeus first led his conquest of Hell, the kyton demagogues were among the native entities that opposed him. You can find some relevant information in Pathfinder Adventure Path #107: Scourge of the Godclaw, in the article on Geryon. ^_^

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And almost month later I noticed that I typoed hell as "kyton", that is embarassing


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I personally feel that Zon Kuthon was created when four particularly powerful Kytons found him near lifeless in the Void and asked him "what's your pleasure?", handed him a puzzle box, and then proclaimed "we have such sights to show you."

I also firmly believe that Shelyn's true name is Kristy.

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