Gestalt character and skills


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Hello
I made an alchemist/figther (Lore warden).

Class Skills

Take the number of skill points gained per level from whichever class grants more skill points, and consider any skill on either class list as a class skill for the gestalt character. For example, a gestalt barbarian/bard would gain skill points per level equal to 6 + Int modifier (and have four times this amount at 1st level), arid can purchase skills from both the barbarian and bard lists as class skills.

Lore Warden :
Scholastic (Ex): A lore warden gains 2 additional skill ranks each level. These ranks must be spent on Intelligence-based skills. All Craft and Knowledge skills are class skills for lore wardens, as are Linguistics and Spellcraft.

This ability replaces the fighter’s proficiency with medium armor, heavy armor, and shields.

do the additional skills ranks from Lore Warden apply or not ?

Thanks for your future answer.


It's hard to be sure, because gestalt isn't actually in the PF ruleset so it wasn't written with that in mind, but I would say that since the lore warden gives something in particular up in exchange that they probably apply. By which I mean they get max (fighter ranks, alchemist ranks) + 2 ranks/level.

OTOH I think there exist archetypes that get more skill ranks but put it as "get N' ranks/level instead of N," which doesn't sound like it would come out the same way, but it would be nice to treat them consistently... can't think of any concrete examples offhand though. :-/


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Lore Warden would stack on top of the class with the highest number of skills per level, as its a class ability, not a boost in skill totals. Also, you don't get the x4 skill point multiplier in Pathfinder at 1st level fyi.


Essentially, your class with the highest skill would still be Alchemist, which is 4+int. That's what you'd gain every level. The Scholastic ability would give you an additional 2 every level as well, on top of your 4+int from Alchemist.

So you should be 6+Int skills per level.


They should definitely stack.

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Agreed, 4+Int and a bonus two Scholastic tracks for Int-based skills only. Scholastic affects skill ranks but it is a distinct class feature.

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
OTOH I think there exist archetypes that get more skill ranks but put it as "get N' ranks/level instead of N," which doesn't sound like it would come out the same way, but it would be nice to treat them consistently... can't think of any concrete examples offhand though. :-/

An example would be something like the Herald Caller cleric, which simply gets extra skill ranks:

Herald Caller wrote:
Skill Ranks per Level: 4 + Int modifier. This alters the cleric’s class skills.

Since this directly affects the skill ranks given by the class, a Herald Caller//Alchemist still only gets 4 skill ranks. Given that Lore Warden's extra ranks are thematically restricted - only allowed to be used for Int-based skills - this does not seem unreasonable to me.

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