| Geminus |
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Do Unchained Summoners have access to the Snowball spell? On one hand, paizo's official website clearly lays out which spells the Unchained Summmoner gets, but that was released in 2015 with Pathfinder Unchained. Ultimate Wilderness, which was released in 2017, lists Snowball as simply a "Summoner" spell (Aquatic Calvary and Fey Gate are also listed, but I am primarily concerned with Snowball).
Are we to believe that Paizo is continually expanding the original Summoner spell list, a list they felt so fundamentally broken that they had to revise the entire thing? Or do the spells from newer books automatically apply to Unchained Summoners?
As a note, Ultimate Wilderness only specifically mentions the Unchained Summoner once in the entire book, and that is in the description for the Leshy Caller archetype.
| Geminus |
I honestly can't think of any instance where they have said for a new spell that it is an unchained summoner spell. I have always gone with the understanding that if it doesn't say it is added to the unchained summoner list that you don't get it, but I would be thrilled to be wrong.
RAW, I can see how you came to that conclusion. I had a similar thought process, and I was hoping someone here would contradict me.
I hope that this is not RAI. There is something inherently illogical about continuing to beef up the "broken" spell list of the original summoner, especially when the original summoner is no longer legal in PFS play.
Has any other class spell list gone 2/3 years without a single update?
| Geminus |
Given the nerf to the spell, go right ahead I would say
I cant think of a good reason why Unchained Summoner should be left out of the Snowball fun. Every other primary spellcaster has a reliable low level ranged attack spell, except the Summoner (I am not counting Acid Splash). Even the Bard gets Ear Piercing Scream.