So if I summon evil monsters I eventually turn evil (though it doesn't seem to work in the other directions for some reason). A pity when I want some telekinesis or mind control. But, what if I use shades or similar spells? They're only illusions, right?
Summoning an evil creature isn't inherently evil... The creature is controlled and, effectively, has no will of it's own. More importantly, nothing about the Summon Monster spell, or any similar magics, says that the spell takes on an alignment descriptor. As long as your deity doesn't expressly forbid it, a LG cleric could summon an Incubus with little repercussions.
Side note, the reason it wouldn't work in the other direction is that it's a supremely evil act to force a good creature to perform an evil act, whether through absolute mental domination or through manipulation and coercion.
Zarius wrote: Summoning an evil creature isn't inherently evil ... More importantly, nothing about the Summon Monster spell, or any similar magics, says that the spell takes on an alignment descriptor. As long as your deity doesn't expressly forbid it, a LG cleric could summon an Incubus with little repercussions. On my phone, so quoting and searching not easy, but I thought summon monster expressly gained any alignment and elemental subtypes a summoned creature possesses. While you may be correct about an evil creature without the [evil] subtype, I am sure an incubus would be evil and thus make the spell evil.
As for shadow conjurations, I would assume those have the characteristics of the duplicated spells except where stated differently, same as using a wish to duplicate a fire or mind-affecting effect.
... That's... Bizarre. Why... Oh, it's a hold over from 3.5. That's idiotic. Well, then, it's evil, I guess.
Anyways, no. Based on the wording of Shadow Conjuration, both it and Shades "mimic" spells, so a Shades-mimicked Summon Monster Incubus would still be an evil spell.
Quote: When you use a summoning spell to summon a creature with an alignment or elemental subtype, it is a spell of that type. I dont see why summoning good creature and making spell [good] does not affect alignment if same done with [evil] does.
We usually dont play with cast spell=change alignment, since unless you are paladin there is no strict code of "thou shall not summon evil creature", and paladin does not even have summon (antipaladin does, but he could care less if he summon good creature and bind it to his will all the better). Whatever gets the job done.
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DarkPhoenixx wrote: Quote: When you use a summoning spell to summon a creature with an alignment or elemental subtype, it is a spell of that type. I dont see why summoning good creature and making spell [good] does not affect alignment if same done with [evil] does.
We usually dont play with cast spell=change alignment, since unless you are paladin there is no strict code of "thou shall not summon evil creature", and paladin does not even have summon (antipaladin does, but he could care less if he summon good creature and bind it to his will all the better). Whatever gets the job done. "It is the greatest pleasure of the Sith to capture a Jedi, to break a Jedi, to convert a Jedi to their ways."
A certain type of Evil just simply LIKES making good creatures do bad things, whether through summoning them with an unbreakable control or by coercing them in one way or another. Calling a good creature to do an evil deed corrupts the creature, while calling an evil creature to do a good deed corrupts the deed. From a theological stand point.
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