| VarisianViscount |
I have some questions about abundant casting and how it interacts with certain types of spells.
Here's the relevant text of the archmage ability:
Whenever you cast a spell that specifically targets a limited number of targets (such as “one creature/level” or “one or more creatures”), add your tier to the number of targets the spell can affect. For example, a 5th-level wizard/1st-tier archmage can target up to six creatures when casting haste (five from caster level 5th and one from 1st tier). Alternatively, you can expend one use of mythic power when casting a spell that affects only one target (such as “one creature”) to have the spell affect an additional target. If the spell requires you to succeed at a melee touch attack, you must hold the charge (Core Rulebook 185) in order to make a second touch attack.
My questions are:
1a) If a spell lists a maximum number of targets, such as magic missile (up to five creatures) or the violent thrust ability of the telekinesis spell [one object or creature per caster level (maximum 15)], does the maximum remain unchanged (i.e. the tier is added directly to the caster level for the purpose of targeting), or does it increase the maximum number of targets (i.e. the tier is added after the number of targets based on caster level is calculated)?1b) Would an augmented magic missile or other spell that doubles its targets apply its target cap after abundant casting [(5+tier)*2, max 10], or before (5*2+tier)?
1c) What about a spell like chain lightning [one primary target, plus one secondary target/level (each of which must be within 30 ft. of the primary target)]? I'd presume you add your tier to the number secondary targets, but can you expend one use of mythic power to affect two primary targets? And if so, can you then split your allotment of secondary targets between them as you like, or do you get twice the normal secondary targets? What about the range limit?
2a) Does a spell with a range of “personal” count as affecting only one target? I feel like the answer is yes, but then again personal range spells are personal range for a reason.
2b) Assuming the answer is yes or you use the mythic version, how would contingency interact with abundant casting? Do you effectively copy the companion spell? Or does only the target which first meets the conditions benefit from the spell and contingency is discharged without effect for the other creature?
| *Thelith |
1a. You can't go above the stated maximum.
1b. Tier would go last and not be multiplied.
1c. You would add tier to the secondary targets, using mythic power you would get two primary and a chain of secondary targets from each primary target, they would all still need to be within 30 ft of each other.
2a. Personal is personal, not affected.
2b. N/A
| VarisianViscount |
1c) So assuming a wizard 11/archmage 4, would that mean two primary targets and a total of 15 secondary targets combined, or 15 secondary targets for each primary target? And if the primary targets are, say, 90 feet apart, would I be unable to target any secondary targets (sine none of them would be within 30 feet of both primary targets), or would the secondary targets just have to be within 30 feet of either target?
2b) Mythic contingency is has a range of "touch" and is thus legal for abundant casting. Or do you mean that contingency in general would not work?