Introducing a PFS agent in disguise.


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I am creating a Kitsune Unchained Rogue. As a kitsune has human form and +10 disguise to appear human, would in be reasonable to suggest the GM have everyone roll to see if they notice anything, do nothing until I have reason to change and surprise them, or does PFS etiquette say I should tell my party during introductions. Will probably introduce him as a level 2 during House of Harmonious Wisdom.

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I imagine it depends on the local etiquette a bit, but do you ask people your race / class / religion / orientation when you first meet them? Or do you take their self-description at face value? If the latter, don't mention it.

I never tell people my Kitsune is a Kitsune because she never shifts out of human form. I don't tell them who my cleric worships. If they ask, or look suspicious at the bouncy redhead then yes, they find out. But a lot of people don't seem to care or notice who they are adventuring with.

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There are folks out there that have a +10 on their Perception or Sense Motive at the lower tiers to see *exactly* those sorts of things.

Because they've been blindsided in the past in-character, or they like seeing/observing things/etc.

Be polite and respectful to your table, and play the character how they'd be played.

A 'surprise' can be handled well without constant note-passing to the GM in PFS.

This is basically what having the GM have the table make the rolls entails.

Which is what this can lead to, as well as frustration and hard feelings.

The best implementation I've seen for it is to let the party know out of character before the game begins that if they desire they can make Perception/Sense Motive/etc checks about the character, and then give hints as to what's off, etc if they make the DC.

However, being honest with the party before going on an adventure where the team is infiltrating a base or whatnot might be kind of important, lest they accidentally friendly-fire not knowing that your disguise has been abandoned.

Technically, it'd be against the rules of PvP, but if the party didn't know in the middle of a firefight that the kitsune (in this case) in the rafters over there was with the team, the basic assumption would more than likely be 'enemy combatant' rather than 'ally'.

The same sort of consideration can apply to vigilantes. The coolest ones are the ones that make the transition between identities seamless and reasonable.

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My kitsune slayer almost never takes human form (which is why it's her best disguise!), but my husband's kitsune kinteticest is the reverse and never out of human form (except for those rare occasions when he's forced out of it). He always introduces his character as "perfectly human". We have enough other players around here that have either kitsunes, or outsiders with scion of humanity that usually they just laugh at his intro and don't push too much (though out of character he will tell them if they ask).

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You might introduce your characters As Firstname definitely not a kitsune lastname.

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Neriathale wrote:
I imagine it depends on the local etiquette a bit,

I think that this is the KEY take away from this thread :-).

Ask your local players what they prefer.

Be aware though that players ARE likely to notice. For example, I figured out a character was a kitsune when I saw how absurdly high the DCs for their enchantment spells were.

And you HAVE to tell the GM, of course. He needs to adjudicate things like Favoured enemy, enemy tactics, etc. You are NEVER allowed to lie to or mislead the GM, even by failing to provide information. You just cannot know what she needs to know

Liberty's Edge

I had no plan to lie. just that I am using to Assult on Absolom boon to start at lvl 2. His having been a slave he will be hesitant to revel more than he has to. Of course if any of the party completed the Assult I may mention that I may appear vaguely familiar. As a rogue I may not have much of a chance to use my DC bonus or have favored enemy.

Also I may want to try some light fun with the party in the beginning.


I don't really play PFS a lot, but can you tell the players without telling the characters?

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Darrell Lunari wrote:
I am creating a Kitsune Unchained Rogue. As a kitsune has human form and +10 disguise to appear human,

...but still the -2 for disguising yourself as a different race. Be good, put at least one rank in the skill so you can better pull it off.

Watch out for those half-elf rangers with their skill focus Perception, class skill, and a reasonable Wisdom.

MageHunter wrote:
I don't really play PFS a lot, but can you tell the players without telling the characters?

Yes, most certainly. In many cases it is better to let them know OOC so they can feel like they are part of the joke rather than someone is trying to pull a fast one on them.

I would recommend you tell the players.

I would also suggest you tell their characters.

You have also gone through training in order to become a Pathfinder Field Agent. There they would have drilled it into you to cooperate. The team my need to know about your other identify, you will really want to think hard about if you share that in character.

Since you are a former slave, does that mean someone from Liberty’s Edge freed you? Might have a different (and much more positive) opinion of Pathfinder agents in that case.

You can be distrusting of most people but make an exception for Pathfinders. Having a double standard like that might even make the character a little more interesting.

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ok. I have read the OP, and before I read the rest of the thread and get my opinion shifted by other peoples responses, I want to get my knee-jerk response out there...

short response:

I have no problem with, and often enjoy playing with, "deceptive characters".

I do have a problem with, and often avoid playing with, "deceptive players".

I see a difference in these two things... it often appears that some other people do not.

longer response:
I have one or two "deceptive" characters. So I'll post as one of those, and talk a bit about play style. I do this to give an example of different play styles of "deceptive" play, to show how I personally play a character who is trying to deceive his fellow PC and NPCs - and in fact trying to deceive a deity.

When I sit down at the PFS table with players who have never met me before, I will introduce my self as Buba Casanunda, "Gnomish" cleric of Nivi Rhombadazzle (yeah, I use "finger quotes"). But I'm not your typical cleric - I have a bit of militia training and so wear full plate armor and use a tower shield. I carry an oversized ax (medium sized Dwarven War Ax) but I'm really not very good with it, so don't expect me to be a Damage Dealing Machine. But I will be up in the combat - right up there on the bleeding edge, as I'm a combat medic. My Domains are Travel and Trickery.

During our adventure, it may come up that I have darkvision - I'll point out that Nivi is the goddess of Deep Gnomes, the first Gnome of the Underdark in fact. Clearly I am not your typical Gnome - I'm a Deep Gnome and have darkvision. (big Grin!)

I move fast - 40' during most of the adventure (longstrider lasts an hour per level) - and that movement is not effected by how much I carry.... That must be my Travel Domain Ability right?

Out of Character, I will explain to the other PLAYERs that I am a Dwarven Separatist Cleric/Fighter who is sure that Nivi will not give him spells unless she thinks he is a Gnome - so he goes around disguised as a Gnome. Green Dyed hair, even his beard, silly hat, and funny turned up shoes. Not being real bright (he has an INT of 7), he slips up sometimes, so if you hang around with him much you should be able to figure several problems with his disguise.
He's Medium sized.
He moves to fast for his armor.
He uses Dwarven weapons, not Gnomeish weapons.
He doesn't even speak Gnome...

I think the most fun I have had playing him was when I was sitting at a table with someone playing a Wayang who was also claiming to be a Gnome. "Lot of differences in appearance! Clearly it's that First World influence in the gene pool! Yeap, and Darkvision must be more common in Gnomes - and a good thing we both have Fleet of Foot!" All the while trying not to give my disguise away to "the other Gnome" in the party.

Basicly - I let the other players in on the joke and they can enjoy playing along too... or not if it bugs them. Buba gets introduced to the NPCs by other players a lot. "and this is Buba, our Gnomish cleric [wink,wink - finger twirl by ear]". And sometimes a Player will give me a pointer on helping my disguise...and sometimes the Characters never figure out "my secret"... But you know the best part? when I meet a player again that I've only played with once months ago, they remember "that crazy gnome cleric of the god with the funny name - yep, biggest gnome I've ever met."

The other players at the table normally buy into my disguse and try to trip me up during play,
Player 1 "Yeah, the gnome can fix that"
Me "who?"
Player 2 "you know, the gnome, you!"
me "sheesh..."

now I'll go back and read the rest of the thread...and see if the rest of the posters change my opinions...

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