Spellslinger and conductive weapons

[Asimpledude315]

So I got into making pathfinder characters for the fun of it after a break and I decided to make a spellslinger/fire kineticist I got a conductive blunderbuss and ended up with a bit of trouble I wanted to know if I can cast a kinesticists ranged touch blast combined with a spellslingers casting through a firearm in one turn

Links to rules:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizar d-archetypes/spellslinger

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abi lities/conductive/

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-classes/kineticist/

[Asimpledude315]

Also If I CAN do this and thats a big if doesn element overflow work with this?

[Lady-J]

i think that will depend on what you are shooting, are you shooting spells or are you shooting bullets modified by mage bullets if its casting the spell i would say no but using the spell slot to augment a bullet with mage bullets i would say yes, as for elemental overflow i would say no as you are not actually attacking with the kinetic blast but adding its power to your bullets attack

[Dasrak]

No reason why they couldn't work together, although under normal circumstances you wouldn't have enough actions to do both in a single turn. The Kinetic Blast can use the Conductive weapon property to fire through the blunderbuss, and the spell can use the Spellslinger's arcane gun class feature to fire through the firearm, and there's no reason that you couldn't use one ability then the other on the same turn. However, ordinarily both a kinetic blast and a spell will be standard actions, and you cannot take two standard actions in a turn.

If you mean using your kinetic blast and benefiting from both the conductive weapon property and the arcane gun bonus, then the answer is no. The conductive weapon property requires you to make an attack with the weapon, at which point you can choose to expend your ability to deliver your spell-like attack through the conductive weapon. The arcane gun class feature requires you to cast a spell, at which point you can choose to deliver it through your weapon. As you can see, the actual action that triggers these effects is different and thus you cannot benefit from both with the same action.

[Lady-J]

Dasrak wrote:

No reason why they couldn't work together, although under normal circumstances you wouldn't have enough actions to do both in a single turn. The Kinetic Blast can use the Conductive weapon property to fire through the blunderbuss, and the spell can use the Spellslinger's arcane gun class feature to fire through the firearm, and there's no reason that you couldn't use one ability then the other on the same turn. However, ordinarily both a kinetic blast and a spell will be standard actions, and you cannot take two standard actions in a turn.

If you mean using your kinetic blast and benefiting from both the conductive weapon property and the arcane gun bonus, then the answer is no. The conductive weapon property requires you to make an attack, at which point you can choose to expend your ability to deliver your spell-like attack through the conductive weapon. The arcane gun class feature requires you to cast a spell, at which point you can choose to deliver it through your weapon. As you can see, the actual action that triggers these effects is different and thus you cannot benefit from both with the same action.

to use the conductive weapon property you actually have to be attacking with the weapon tho, so no spell casting threw the gun and getting kinetic blast it would be like having a conductive greatsword with conductive but instead you want to use a dagger to attack(replacing the normal weapon attack with a spell attack)

[Asimpledude315]

What about somwthing like ranged spellstrike then?

[Asimpledude315]

Also I did a stupid and thought when it said this "In a spellslinger’s hands, they both fire projectiles (bullets and pellets) and cast magic." Was just another form of spellstrike

[Lady-J]

Asimpledude315 wrote:

Also I did a stupid and thought when it said this "In a spellslinger’s hands, they both fire projectiles (bullets and pellets) and cast magic." Was just another form of spellstrike

no that line just lets you know that the gun can also function normally in addition to being able to cast spells, so you can either shoot normally(bullets/pellets) or cast a spell threw the gun burning a spell slot and adding the guns enhancement bonus to the spell dc, if you are casting a spell you can not combine with conductive, if you are actually firing the weapon normally then you get conductive added on

[Dasrak]

Lady-J wrote:

to use the conductive weapon property you actually have to be attacking with the weapon tho, so no spell casting threw the gun and getting kinetic blast it would be like having a conductive greatsword with conductive but instead you want to use a dagger to attack(replacing the normal weapon attack with a spell attack)

You can't use spells with the conductive weapon, but you can use spell-like abilities with the mage gun. So a kinetic blast could benefit from the arcane gun ability. This is an interesting combo, but it seems strictly inferior to using a conductive weapon so I can't see any way to make it work in a practical sense.

Asimpledude315 wrote:

What about somwthing like ranged spellstrike then?

Ranged spellstrike would be completely redundant, as it doesn't do anything the conductive weapon can't with regards to your kinetic blast.

[Lady-J]

Dasrak wrote:

Lady-J wrote:

to use the conductive weapon property you actually have to be attacking with the weapon tho, so no spell casting threw the gun and getting kinetic blast it would be like having a conductive greatsword with conductive but instead you want to use a dagger to attack(replacing the normal weapon attack with a spell attack)

You can't use spells with the conductive weapon, but you can use spell-like abilities with the mage gun. So a kinetic blast could benefit from the arcane gun ability. This is an interesting combo, but it seems strictly inferior to using a conductive weapon so I can't see any way to make it work in a practical sense.

Asimpledude315 wrote:

What about somwthing like ranged spellstrike then?

Ranged spellstrike would be completely redundant, as it doesn't do anything the conductive weapon can't with regards to your kinetic blast.

yes but the question that's being asked is can they cast a spell with the gun and use kinetic blast via conductive which is a no as they are replacing their normal attack with the gun for casting a spell thus not making a normal attack with the weapon there for cannot benefit from conductive, ranged spell strike on the other hand would work as they would cast the spell then they get a free attack with the projectile befitting from the spell then the weapon gets its conductive property to deal kinetic blast damage

[Dasrak]

Lady-J wrote:

yes but the question that's being asked is can they cast a spell with the gun and use kinetic blast via conductive

It's actually unclear what he's asking; I was answering on the presumption that he's not actually interesting in casting spells but instead has dipped into these archetypes to make use of these class features with his kineticist spell-like ability instead of how they are usually intended to be used with spells.

It wouldn't be possible to build a character who is competent with both kinetic blast and spellcasting at the same time anyways. Every level you take in kineticist causes your spellcasting power to fall behind the curve, and every level you take in your spellcasting class causes your kinetic blast to fall behind the curve.