Conform to any limitations of Evolved Summoned Monster??


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Evolved Summoned Monster "Each time you cast a summon monster spell, you can select a 1-point evolution other than pounce or reach from those available to a summoner’s eidolon. Your summoned creature gains this evolution. The summoned creature must conform to any limitations of the evolution . (For instance, only a creature with a reach of 10 feet or more can have the pull evolution.).."

1 Pts Evolution "Claws (Ex) (Advanced Player's Guide pg. 60 (Amazon)): An eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the end of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks. These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution . This evolution can only be applied to the limbs (legs) evolution once This evolution can be selected more than once, but the eidolon must possess an equal number of the limbs evolution."

Both boldings mine.

Now for the question, I don't actually have to build an eidolon but summon a creature which already has limbs. So I think I won't need to take the limps evolution. Of course if I'd summon a snake or other limbsless creatute this wouldn'd work.

P.S. This is for a home game not PFS.


Sure, but I'd think there might be problems if the summoned creature already has claws or other natural weapons on all relevant limbs.


That's true, if we look at the tigers and lions which already get 1 bite + 4 claws when pouncing. They'd first need to evolve to six legged beasts.

And of course thank you for the fast reply.


Christopk-K wrote:
The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution .

An eidolon must have the limbs evolution on order to take the claws evolution.

Summoned creatures are not eidolons.


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Volkard Abendroth wrote:
Christopk-K wrote:
The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution .

An eidolon must have the limbs evolution on order to take the claws evolution.

Summoned creatures are not eidolons.

Sorry, but that's kind of a silly interpretation. Pretty much every evolution references "the eidolon" or "an eidolon." Your interpretation would mean that Evolved Eidolon doesn't do what it literally says it does, which is gain the benefit of an evolution available to an eidolon.

Now, to the OP. If you go by the strictest interpretation, your summoned creature cannot take the Claws evolution until you have first given it the Limbs evolution. The Claws evolution doesn't say the eidolon must first have limbs, but must first have the Limbs evolution. If you summoned creature doesn't already have the Limbs evolution, no Claws evolution for it.

However, I personally believe it would be reasonable for the Claws evolution to function on a summoned creature that already has some sort of limbs. Since this is a home game, I would first discuss it with your GM.

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