Samurai and Brawler Level Stacking For Feats


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If you have 3 levels in Samurai and 1 level in Brawler, would you qualify for the Weapon Specialization Feat? Having three levels in Samurai causes your Samurai levels to count as Fighter levels and allows them to stack. Brawlers count their Brawler levels as fighter levels for the purposes of qualifying for feats. You need to have 4 Fighter levels to qualify for Weapon Specialization. So, would 3 levels in Samurai and 1 level in Brawler qualify you for Weapon Specialization?


Yes.


The reason I was confused about this is because the Brawler doesn't actually "give" you fighter levels like Samurai does. The Brawler counts their levels as if they were fighter levels for feats, whereas with the Samurai, your levels count as Fighter levels full stop. Is there some Paizo literature which addresses this specifically?


Chrion wrote:
with the Samurai, your levels count as Fighter levels full stop.

Eh?

Samurai wrote:
Finally, his samurai levels count as fighter levels and stack with any fighter levels he possesses for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites for feats that specifically select his chosen weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.

Oh, I see, you used d20pfsrd didn't you? They mess with wording sometimes, but I've never seen them just drop 25 words before. Wow!

The Archives of Nethys version quoted above is correct. (They're quite reliable, but I double-checked versus the actual PRD entry to be sure.)


No, if they don't say they stack they don't stack and neither of these classes say they stack.

Mark Seifter wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:

Hey Mark, How does having 2 sources of the same class work?

Like a fighter 3 brawler 1, does he count as fighter 4 for things like weapon specialization or is he a fighter 3 and fighter 1?

A monk 7 and it's IUS combined with Brawler or Iorian Paladin or Order of the Hammer Cavalier that count as Monk for IUS progression, would it have a 1d8 punch and a 1d6 punch or would they combine to reach the 1d10 punch?

I think technically it only stacks if it says it does, but I usually let it stack anyway in home games. Can't count the same class level twice though, of course (like with attempts to use those animal companion feats in combination with gaining an animal companion to double count levels of the companion class).

Scarab Sages

Samurai does say it stacks (with Fighter levels).

Weapon Expertise wrote:
Finally, his samurai levels count as fighter levels and stack with any fighter levels he possesses for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites for feats that specifically select his chosen weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.

So does Brawler give you a base level 1 Fighter and then Samurai stacks with that? Or do both need to say they stack, since neither is actually a level of Fighter?


Ferious Thune wrote:

Samurai does say it stacks (with Fighter levels).

Weapon Expertise wrote:
Finally, his samurai levels count as fighter levels and stack with any fighter levels he possesses for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites for feats that specifically select his chosen weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.
So does Brawler give you a base level 1 Fighter and then Samurai stacks with that? Or do both need to say they stack, since neither is actually a level of Fighter?

Hmm... I think that could work. Like brawler's aren't fighter's so there's that, but since they count as fighter for feats maybe it works. I'd say toss up, GM could go either way easily.

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