Wild Empathy

[kirerellim]

I was looking into Wild Empathy mostly on a lark after reading details of Skinwalker, and I was just curious how most GM's ran with it. Because by RAW, it does nothing but Influence Attitude for animals, but I see a lot of the stories referencing using it more like the Diplomacy use of Make A Request.

How do you rule/play with this ability? Wild Empathy used like Diplomacy for animals? Wild Empathy to make them friendly then handle animal to 'push' them to do tricks/act?

[Nefreet]

Diplomacy has only two subsections: influencing attitudes and gathering information.

Making requests is part of the former. If you improve the animal's attitude enough, you don't even need to roll the check to make a request.

In general, when reading skills, additional subsections are identified by a word or phrase in italics, and the specifics of using that subsection follow. Bluff, for example, has three subsections (fooling someone, feinting and passing secret messages).

Furthermore, sometimes a feat, item or ability only affects one subsection. You couldn't use Wild Empathy to gather information, but influencing animals (and thus making requests of them) is something you can do.

[BigNorseWolf]

Handle animal lets you give orders/requests to animals and magical beasts. (with the understanding that the critter isn't going to listen to you unless it likes you)

[Daw]

Nefreet wrote:

Diplomacy has only two subsections: influencing attitudes and gathering information.

Making requests is part of the former. If you improve the animal's attitude enough, you don't even need to roll the check to make a request.

In general, when reading skills, additional subsections are identified by a word or phrase in italics, and the specifics of using that subsection follow. Bluff, for example, has three subsections (fooling someone, feinting and passing secret messages).

Furthermore, sometimes a feat, item or ability only affects one subsection. You couldn't use Wild Empathy to gather information, but influencing animals (and thus making requests of them) is something you can do.

Actually, assuming "Speak wit Animals", why couldn't wild empathy be used to "Gather Information"?

[Flutter]

Because all wild empathy does is the attitude shift.

ALthough i suppose it would be a dc 10 handle animal check telling a bird informant to sing....

#druidvice

[Nefreet]

Daw wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Diplomacy has only two subsections: influencing attitudes and gathering information.

Making requests is part of the former. If you improve the animal's attitude enough, you don't even need to roll the check to make a request.

In general, when reading skills, additional subsections are identified by a word or phrase in italics, and the specifics of using that subsection follow. Bluff, for example, has three subsections (fooling someone, feinting and passing secret messages).

Furthermore, sometimes a feat, item or ability only affects one subsection. You couldn't use Wild Empathy to gather information, but influencing animals (and thus making requests of them) is something you can do.

Actually, assuming "Speak wit Animals", why couldn't wild empathy be used to "Gather Information"?

Because Wild Empathy only refers to one subsection of Diplomacy ("This ability functions just like a Diplomacy check made to improve the attitude of a person").

Gathering Information is an entirely separate check, modified by different things.

A +2 bonus to Feint wouldn't help you to tell a lie or send a secret message, either.