Hag (and changeling) detection?


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1) Is there any canonical way to detect a hag?

2) Is there any canonical way to detect a changeling?

3) If the answer to the first two questions is "no", then a spell, ritual or magic item would be needed to detect hags and changelings. What might such a spell, ritual or item look like -- level, cost, and so forth?

Thanks in advance,

Doug M.


Changelings don't actually have any racial illusion or shapechanging abilities, despite their name and heritage, so detecting them should be comparable to other demi-humans
I'm not sure of any specific way to detect hags, compounded by the issue that (Hag) is not actually a subtype, and not all hags are monstrous humanoids.
True Seeing would obviously work, although by the point that spell becomes easily available, most hags probably are not a significant threat


I think a 1st level "Detect (Witchcraft or Witches)" spell that apes the rules of the other 1st level "Detect" spells would be reasonable.

Other than homebrewing that, I think Hags are all evil by default, so Detect Evil works for them.


If the hag is in disguise, a successful opposed roll of Perception vs. her Disguise skill should help, though that might only get you to the point of 'this person isn't what they seem'.


Sorry for necrothreading, but I've just come across this problem for a character, and despite this thread having exactly the right questions, it doesn't really have answers.

How do commoners/adventuring parties detect other demi-humans?
If a changeling child is left with a commoner family, the DC to identify something is 10 + CR, right? So maybe a knowledge (nature) DC 11? The commoner family has a decent chance of recognizing the changeling.

However, that means that as a changeling acquires class levels, she gets harder to identify simply because her CR is higher.
A changeling child isn't in disguise, since no disguise check was made.

But there is no DC to identify a dwarf, people just know what dwarves are.

What are the consequences of someone passing the Knowledge (nature)/perception check? Lathiira suggested a good open-ended option that I like, that just suggests that this person isn't exclusively human. If the party met an NPC who appeared human, they probably wouldn't get suspicious and wouldn't attempt to roll a knowledge (nature) check to see if that NPC is demi-human. So I suppose that the act of rolling a knowledge (nature) is the same as being suspicous of someone.

Silver Crusade

The DC doesn't go up based on class level. The DC to identify a dwarf would be knowledge local DC 5, since it has no hd, or 6 if you count it as 1 HD. A changeling, as a more obscure race, would be Local DC 10 or 11. If 11, you can only identify it if you have a rank in knowledge local, or else can use it untrained.

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