Beast Shape Casting


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Can someone give me a quick run down of why a wizard can't cast while using beast shape, whether or not that includes taking the form of magical beasts aswell, and give advice for possible ways to work-around the problems to be able to cast in animal or magical beast shapes? :)

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Because it says so in the polymorph rules. You need to be able to talk to do verbal components and need a prehensile limb to do somatic components. An animal form prevents you from talking.


Cyrad wrote:
Because it says so in the polymorph rules. You need to be able to talk to do verbal components and need a prehensile limb to do somatic components. An animal form prevents you from talking.

So if i turn into a magical beast that has fingered limbs and can speak (both having languages and saying in the description that it can speak and is intelligent), i'm good to go? (with eschew materials if it has components)


Raw, no. However, if it can speak, most sane GMs will let you cast in such a form without much negotiation.

PD


Potato disciple wrote:
Raw, no.

Sorry i'm not too fluent with the rules, all i can find is this:

"While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak..."

Are there other bits of rules that add to that to make it "Raw, no"?


Ring of Eloquence for Verbal problems although I believe polymorphing merges all your items and makes them useless, so drop it then pick it up?

If not, Silent spell and Still Spell metamagic can let you cast without verbal or somatic components, but each one increases spell levels by 1. (A level 3 fireball would eat up a level 5 slot instead).


Potato disciple wrote:
Raw, no. However, if it can speak, most sane GMs will let you cast in such a form without much negotiation.

Raw, yes. It specifically says that if the form you take has the ability to speak any required Verbal components and make the required Somatic gestures, you can cast anything that doesn't require a Material or Focus component that you can't access.


SorrySleeping wrote:
Ring of Eloquence for Verbal problems although I believe polymorphing merges all your items and makes them useless, so drop it then pick it up?

Items other than weapons/armour/shields that function continuously still function while melded. That's half the point of Ring of Eloquence.


Use the Psychic Bloodline through Sorcerer or Blood Arcanist. Psychic magic is purely mental in its components.

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Note that, absent polymorphic pouch (a wonderful magic item for shape shifters) you will lose access to your rods, wands, scrolls, etc when beast shaped. These are an important part of your arsenal as a spell caster.

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