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Because we don't have enough sample ships.
Well, seeing how much people liked my Star Trek races thread (for the most part), I thought I'd make some federation Starships using the starship builder.
I'm going to try to make these as close as possible to the feel of the federations ships I'm going for. Obviously, there will be differences (Warp drive vs. Drift drive) but I'm going for crew compliment, size, armaments, etc. I can't do everything exactly, but I hope to have a decent approximation going on.
I'm going to try to be doing these in a relative easy Tier grouping, so I've got the first four ships, covering tiers 1/3-3. I'll be working on more recognizable ships going up the line, but I thought I'd go lowest to highest.
Many thanks to Nickela for making his starship creator spreadsheet (seen here). Also thanks to J.T.Kirk for inspiring me to throw my hat into the ring.
All starships and designs are owned by paramount, yadda yadda. This is a non-profit venture, blah blah blah.
NICE! Looking forward to see what your version of the Enterprise and Defiant look like.
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NICE! Looking forward to see what your version of the Enterprise and Defiant look like.
Thanks. I put a few more in there. Oberth, Miranda, Saber, Defiant, Intrepid.
The hardest part is that Federation ships are super fast, have large crews, and a lot of expansion bays, and so you just can't really do that in Starfinder. Plus needing to be huge or larger to have a shuttle bay is annoying. So I just did the best I could.
I made the Intrepid (Voyager) a cruiser despite the fact that their crew compliment was 150 instead of 100, and I also made the Defiant a cruiser despite the fact that it's length should put it as a Destroyer (but then it couldn't have its shuttlepods . . . or a capitol mount . . .) The Saber class is a destroyer even though they should have double the listed crew compliment . . . it's a mess.
I strongly suggest that Paizo add a new Expansion bay option called 'shuttlepods.' It would take one bay, and let you house up to two tiny ships. It could be put on large or larger ships. Why would that be hard?
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Personally I'd like to see some of the pre-Federation types like the NX-class, the early Intrepids, and the Vulcan, Andorian, Klingon and Romulan ships that are their contemporaries.
Problem is that I basically made the cheapest cruiser I could in the Miranda class. To make the NX-01 I would either just re-create the Miranda, or make a destroyer and not give the NX a shuttlebay.
As for the others, I might later, but this is clearly labeled 'Federation' ships.
I'd really like to see a 'shuttlepod bay' expansion bay. Single bay, Make it available on large or larger vessels, and only able to hold two tiny craft. Heck, I'd also like to see a 'shuttlepod' ship type that is tiny, has a max crew of 2, but as a special feature can hold up to 4 more people.
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Added another ship. A Tier 20 Federation ship. Wanna guess what it is?
So now I've done all the major ships except the NX-01 Enterprise (which I guess I could make as a destroyer, and ignore the shuttlepods? I dunno.) But we have the Enterprise-A, Enterprise-D, Enterprise E (and B and C,too!), Voyager, the Defiant, as well as the Reliant, and many others.
NICE!
Always good to have more ships on hand for space battles!
Well I've got a bunch of ships now, from tiers 1-18, with only a few minor gaps. I was thinking of doing the Prometheus but that ship's big claim to fame is that it splits into three and there is no real way to do that in Starfinder. . .
Why not build it as 3 smaller ships that dock with one another. I would have to do more research to see exactly what each part does differently than the others, but I think in the end you would end up with stats for 4 ships, the 3 parts and the whole. If it doesn't quite fit, we can probably whack it with a hammer a few times until it does. ... Or would that be a spanner that we're whacking with in this case?
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I am bashing together a database in M$ Access of sample ship designs, so far just the basics from the book, and whatever else I find on the net... can I add any of these to what I have, with proper credit given?
As long as you aren't trying to make money off of it (which I think would be illegal anyway because they are all copywritten?) then sure, go for it.
I'm guessing you used the turret mount on a lot of these to represent the multiple phaser banks rather than installing a bunch of weapons.
A Romulan Warbird and a Klingon Bird of Prey would be cool to see done like this.
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ummm yeah.
the vengeance : dreadnought class of the kelvin time line.not the only dreadnought class in star trek.
there is another in hte prime timeline, its appearance is in the book star trek: dreadnought ship has 3 warp narcells
this also does not mention the galaxy class dreadnought either. the galaxy with the 3rd narcellanother gripe.
runabouts such as the Danube and Yorktown classes were not around during the time the miranda started and are too big to be placed in her shuttlebays if you needed multiple shuttles. these vessels were larger and mower powerful, but were placed at stations and larger ships of the line such as the galaxy and sovereign classes. also they tend to be the tugboats of star trek too....
now I could be wrong though... but even in STO, alot of liberties are taken
First off: yes, I am aware of the book with the dreadnaught class, which was essentially an original constitution with a third warp nacelle. I've read that book. However, as it only ever showed up in a book, it is non-canon. Only ships from TV shows/movies made it on my list.
Second: you are right about the runabout thing, but that's an artifact of bringing Star Trek ships to Starfinder. Smaller ships can't have 'hanger bays' (that hold tiny ships like the type 6 shuttle). They can hold shuttle bays that do hold 2 small ships though (like the runabout). RAW you can't put tiny ships in a shuttlebay. It's the same reason that not all my ships have a gravity gun for a tractor beam, many ships (like the Miranda) simply can't afford them, as the power/BP cost is too high for one of those ships. Also why the max crew for the galaxy class is 500, not 1000+
In the end I had to make some allowances when changing from the Star Trek universe to the Starfinder universe.
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I'm actually in the process of doing the same for Star Wars. My plan is to take all the ships in the Saga Edition CRB, and most of the ships in the TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance video games and convert them over.
My sticky point so far is converting speed in the various games to speed in Starfinder.
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and just how is that novels not canon?
Straight from Gene Roddenberry himself:
"The novelization that Gene wrote himself, of Star Trek: the Motion Picture, he does not consider canon either, because he also went off on tangents, that he said that it's okay for individual writers to do that, and he certainly had some fun with it himself, filling in parts of the puzzle that he never would've been able to do on film, it would've been a ten-hour movie, but he doesn't want even that used for canon, because otherwise, where do you draw the line? Which books are accepted and which aren't?" - Richard Arnold, Star Trek: The Next Generation research consultant and Star Trek archivist, 1991 interview with Tim Lynch.
The Wiki on Star-Trek Canonicity where it states that the Canon of trek is somewhat loose, but it is tradition that the books are considered out almost always.
Really nice work.
But I would use the carrier frame for the Akira class.
Most people don't know, but the Akira is not really a attack cruise but more a carrier ship (with a length of ~450 meter):
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Akira_class
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Really nice work.
But I would use the carrier frame for the Akira class.
Most people don't know, but the Akira is not really a attack cruise but more a carrier ship (with a length of ~450 meter):
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Akira_class
Akira has a truly, deeply INSANE number of photon torpedo launchers, including the franchise's first known broadside photon torpedo launchers (2 per broadside) (and the only ones until the Enterprise in Star Trek Into Darkness).
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Just gonna aside to say, I REALLY like what they're doing with Discovery.
Really? That's strange.
Besides the glaring flaws in canon, since that could be argued to be nitpicking,
That said, the exterior of the Walker-class ship did seem mostly pretty period-appropriate Star Trek-y and might work here for statting out, although we don't yet know the intended purpose of the Walker-class and it could end up being redundant stats-wise with similar ships.
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Just gonna aside to say, I REALLY like what they're doing with Discovery.Really? That's strange.
** spoiler omitted **That said, the exterior of the Walker-class ship did seem mostly pretty period-appropriate Star Trek-y and might work here for statting out, although we don't yet know the intended purpose of the Walker-class and it could end up being redundant stats-wise with similar ships.
Mary Sue (n.): Any female character who is as competent as a male character would be in her place. Q.v. BATMAN
Mary Sue (n.): Any female character who is as competent as a male character would be in her place. Q.v. BATMAN
This is a MASSIVE Derail. :(
I would actually be more interested in "PC Size" ships.
I'm sure people can come up with a few more.
Wow! You did an amazing job on these star ships!
Mary Sue (n.): Any female character who is as competent as a male character would be in her place. Q.v. BATMANJust gonna aside to say, I REALLY like what they're doing with Discovery.Really? That's strange.
** spoiler omitted **That said, the exterior of the Walker-class ship did seem mostly pretty period-appropriate Star Trek-y and might work here for statting out, although we don't yet know the intended purpose of the Walker-class and it could end up being redundant stats-wise with similar ships.
I would actually be more interested in "PC Size" ships.I'm sure people can come up with a few more.
The Aerie-class and Danube-class are both in the document in the OP.
I would actually be more interested in "PC Size" ships.I'm sure people can come up with a few more.The Aerie-class and Danube-class are both in the document in the OP.
Awesome!
Awesome!I would actually be more interested in "PC Size" ships.I'm sure people can come up with a few more.The Aerie-class and Danube-class are both in the document in the OP.
Both the Klingon and Romulan Birds of Prey are in the second posted document, too.
Both the Klingon and Romulan Birds of Prey are in the second posted document, too.Awesome!I would actually be more interested in "PC Size" ships.I'm sure people can come up with a few more.The Aerie-class and Danube-class are both in the document in the OP.
So only the, admittedly obscure, Scorpio Class doesn't have a write-up.
Come to think of it, there aren't really many more notable ships left in Star Trek besides the Romulan Warbird and Klingon Cruisers
I don't know how faithful these ships are to the original Star Trek conceptions, but several read as deathtraps under Starfinder combat rules. A lot only have forward facing weapons, which is going to be a big problem when they are also Huge or bigger and have poor turn radiuses. Small ships have really good chances of kiting them with impunity.
Some of them have forward heavier weapons with other turret-slot weapons to represent multiple weapons banks, though others like the Klingon Bird of Prey do only fire forward.
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Come to think of it, there aren't really many more notable ships left in Star Trek besides the Romulan Warbird and Klingon Cruisers
I plan to do:
Cardassian:
Cardassian Shuttle
Graoumall class freighter
Galor-class warship
Keldan-class Heavy Warship
Bajoran:
Bajoran impulse fighter
Romulan:
Apnex (Science Vessel)
D'Derix class warbird
Scimitar class
Klingon:
D7 class cruiser
Vor'cha class
Fek'ler class
Borg Cube (maybe)
Kazon
Kazon Fighter
Kazon Predetor-class carrier
Some of them have forward heavier weapons with other turret-slot weapons to represent multiple weapons banks, though others like the Klingon Bird of Prey do only fire forward.
They also rely a lot on big, slow missile weapons, so faster ships can outrun them and blast from range with beam weapons or use point defense weapons to eat up a good percentage of hits that do get through.
For any ship with a turn greater than 1 I think you need lots of arcs of weapons. Those turrets are going to soak up critical hits on the weapon systems and make focus actions that target them a good use of Resolve.
Given the fact that a Galaxy-class is supposed to have a standard crew of about 1000 instead of the listed 125-500 in the stat block, I'm pretty sure he's just trying to get it as accurate as he can without making every capital ship CR 20. In fact, the stat block for the Dreadnought-class (an overpowered fanfictiony ship from a bad movie) looks more like what the Galaxy-class should have, but even then probably a little underpowered, and the Intrepid-class should likely have one of the best Drift Drives, it's safe to say that Starfinder doesn't quite match up to the scale and he's trying to be proportional. Like I said, he's already using the turret mount as a substitute for going way over budget by putting in weapon banks on the bow, both flanks, and the stern.
The big, slow missile weapons are supposed to represent Photon Torpedoes, which are rather slow.
The hardest part is that Federation ships are super fast, have large crews, and a lot of expansion bays, and so you just can't really do that in Starfinder. Plus needing to be huge or larger to have a shuttle bay is annoying. So I just did the best I could.
I made the Intrepid (Voyager) a cruiser despite the fact that their crew compliment was 150 instead of 100, and I also made the Defiant a cruiser despite the fact that it's length should put it as a Destroyer (but then it couldn't have its shuttlepods . . . or a capitol mount . . .) The Saber class is a destroyer even though they should have double the listed crew compliment . . . it's a mess.
EDIT: Why don't I give you a look at the aforementioned Galaxy-class.
I'm just saying that by going for accuracy many of these ships are very limited in combat and can't live up to their CR against many opponents
Akira has a truly, deeply INSANE number of photon torpedo launchers, including the franchise's first known broadside photon torpedo launchers (2 per broadside) (and the only ones until the Enterprise in Star Trek Into Darkness).
I think there is a general consistency problem with the Akira. According to Memory-Alpha it only has Six type-10 phaser emitters and two photon torpedo launchers, while the ST technical manual names 15 Torpedo Launcher. Memory-beta even says 19 torpedo launcher + largest shuttle bay. -.-
I can only suggest to watch the shipyard episode on it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOtwB0VpxZc), the guys have very good contact to the actual designers and story writers of Star Trek, so I would go with their version (which includes a large shuttle/fighter bay).
I like, I like Very much.