Regarding combinations of weapon attacks, items that grant natural attacks and power attack...

[Trevor86]

Hey everyone, I wanted to confirm something before I commit to this for one of my characters. If my character was a melee weapon user who also had a ring of rat folk and a helm of the mammoth lord (one gives a bite attack, the other a gore attack as primary natural attacks), and then used a full attack, what exactly would happen?

From what I gathered from a few threads, all attacks from the weapon would be at full BAB and I would be able to both bite and use gore as part of the same full attack (since even though they are a part of the same limb, the head, they are different body parts, plus it's been cited by others that creatures like gargolyes can also use both to full attack). Since nothing is written regarding the damage the bite or gore would do, im assuming the damage of these attacks is 1d6 or 1d4 + str + any global bonusses. However, the bite and gore would be at a -5 penalty to hit as combining a weapon attack with a natural attack would make the natural attacks count as secondary. Is this correct?

Further, if I then added power attack, the weapon would get the normal bonus on each attack (or +50% from using a 2h weapon) and both the bite and gore would get half the normal damage boost since they are then secondary, per the writing of power attack, right?

-kind regards,
Trevor

[GM Rednal]

Quote:

You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

Keep in mind that secondary natural attacks always deal half Strength as well. Otherwise, it's fairly spot on.

I'd just be careful with GMs who would rule that you can't Bite and Gore at the same time, because I've seen it happen before.