I'm confused about Taldor: Rondelero Duelist

[Kawaiipiggy]

Okay i understand what the archetype abilities do for the most part. What i'm having a hard time understanding is what it actually gets. Ive tried to looking it up and the answers i'm finding are confusing. It would be really helpful if someone could actually have it sort of put out level by level or atleast state the levels of the important stuff. Ive mostly played archetypes that replace all of something.

Okay Strong swing replaces weapon training 1. Does that mean when they get weapon training 2 they would get weapon training 1?

Ontop of that It replaces armor training 1-3. But what replaces armor training gives them armor training 1 at 7th level and armor training 2 at 15th. Well at 15th they would get armor training 4... So does that mean they just lose out on armor training 3 cause 2 is slotted there and if so what happened to armor training 4 which would become 3 if they got it at that level? Is it just something they state that is a dead ability?

I'm really confused by it and it would be really helpful if someone could say what they really get of everything?

This is my first post so i'm sorry if it is in the wrong section.

[Dave Justus]

When you would normally get Weapon Training 2, you get weapon training 1, and then when normally 3, you get 2 and when 4 you get 3.

Similarly with armor training, but since the only one not replaced is 4, when you would normally get that you get armor training 1.

[Kawaiipiggy]

Dave Justus wrote:

When you would normally get Weapon Training 2, you get weapon training 1, and then when normally 3, you get 2 and when 4 you get 3.

Similarly with armor training, but since the only one not replaced is 4, when you would normally get that you get armor training 1.

Armor Training (Ex): At 7th level, a rondelero gains armor training 1, and can move at his normal speed in medium armor. At 15th level, the rondelero gains armor training 2, and can move at his normal speed in heavy armor. This ability replaces armor training 2.

So they get that ability at armor training 2 and they get armor training 2 at the same level that armor training 4 happens. So does that mean it gets bumped up to armor training 3 skipping armor training 2 bonuses outside of being able to move my speed in heavy armor?

[blahpers]

7th level: armor training 1, normal speed in medium armor
15th level: armor training 2, normal speed in heavy armor

That pretty much covers it.

[Dark Midian]

By what Archives of Nethys says the Rondelero Duelist gets, you would start gaining weapon training at 9th as you lose weapon training 1, and you would flat out lose armor training until 15th, as you lose armor training 1-3.

[Artemis Moonstar]

I'd have figured it was self explanatory.

Armor Training (Ex): At 7th level, a rondelero gains armor training 1, and can move at his normal speed in medium armor. At 15th level, the rondelero gains armor training 2, and can move at his normal speed in heavy armor. This ability replaces armor training 2

Alright, so you move Armor Training 1 back to seventh level. Armor Training 2 gets pushed back to 15th level, when you would get armor training 4.

Now, consider this. The archetype does not lose Armor Training 4. It does lose Armor Training 3. So, you would obtain Armor Trainings like this:

Level 7: Armor Training 1.
Level 15: Armor Training 2 (Archetype), Armor Training 3 (Fighter's non-removed Armor Training 4).

You get 2 and 3 at the same level because of the way replacing single "levels" of an ability works for the archetype system.