I have an Undine Sorcerer who specializes in Hydraulic Push. I came across the "Recharge Innate Magic" but it's a Dwarf-only spell. I was thinking about getting a wand of this to recharge her SLA.
My question is simply, which DC(s) for UMD do I follow? I'm not sure if I need to make one check or two, and if only one check, which DC?
I'm leaning towards the DC 20 check because the UMD for spell trigger doesn't say anything about race.
Quote: Use a Wand, Staff, or Other Spell Trigger Item: Normally, to use a wand, you must have the wand's spell on your class spell list. This use of the skill allows you to use a wand as if you had a particular spell on your class spell list. Failing the roll does not expend a charge. But I could be wrong.
Where do you see it listed as dwarf only?
Also, most of the race spells have a tag along the lines of "This spell was designed for X race but can be used by other races upon GM permission."
It's a gnomish spell, not dwarven.
As Gallant Armor pointed out, though, the spell itself doesn't specify "must be cast by gnomes." It's just not easy to find unless you're a gnome. With that said, the GM is the final arbiter on whether you can use the spell; PFS, for instance, has said "no, only gnomes can find it."
If your GM allows its use, and if you find a wand of it, and if the GM says it can be cast by anybody, I would expect a DC20 check (DC21 for a scroll.)
If the GM says it can only be cast by gnomes, you'd be looking at two separate checks (DC 25 and either 20 or 21.)
shaventalz wrote: As Gallant Armor pointed out, though, the spell itself doesn't specify "must be cast by gnomes." It's just not easy to find unless you're a gnome. With that said, the GM is the final arbiter on whether you can use the spell; PFS, for instance, has said "no, only gnomes can find it."
Ah, should've specified I'm asking for PFS.
So, in PFS, I can't have a sorcerer buy the wand? Can you point me to the location stating that for items, or is that in additional resources? I always assumed you just couldn't learn it if you weren't of the appropriate race, but could still acquire the items (it'd just be useless unless you had a way to trick the item)
gatlingxyz wrote: shaventalz wrote: As Gallant Armor pointed out, though, the spell itself doesn't specify "must be cast by gnomes." It's just not easy to find unless you're a gnome. With that said, the GM is the final arbiter on whether you can use the spell; PFS, for instance, has said "no, only gnomes can find it."
Ah, should've specified I'm asking for PFS.
So, in PFS, I can't have a sorcerer buy the wand? Can you point me to the location stating that for items, or is that in additional resources? I always assumed you just couldn't learn it if you weren't of the appropriate race, but could still acquire the items (it'd just be useless unless you had a way to trick the item) It's based on what's in Additional Resources, yes.
Quote: Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed). You're still getting the spell, just via item. My reading would be that an undine couldn't buy that wand. A "racial magic item" would be something like the aforementioned solidsmoke pipeweed; something actually statted up as a magic item in there. To my knowledge, they've never clarified whether a gnome can hand someone else his wand, but I'd expect the answer to be "don't do it".
shaventalz wrote: gatlingxyz wrote: shaventalz wrote: As Gallant Armor pointed out, though, the spell itself doesn't specify "must be cast by gnomes." It's just not easy to find unless you're a gnome. With that said, the GM is the final arbiter on whether you can use the spell; PFS, for instance, has said "no, only gnomes can find it."
Ah, should've specified I'm asking for PFS.
So, in PFS, I can't have a sorcerer buy the wand? Can you point me to the location stating that for items, or is that in additional resources? I always assumed you just couldn't learn it if you weren't of the appropriate race, but could still acquire the items (it'd just be useless unless you had a way to trick the item) It's based on what's in Additional Resources, yes.
Quote: Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed). You're still getting the spell, just via item. My reading would be that an undine couldn't buy that wand. A "racial magic item" would be something like the aforementioned solidsmoke pipeweed; something actually statted up as a magic item in there. To my knowledge, they've never clarified whether a gnome can hand someone else his wand, but I'd expect the answer to be "don't do it". I knew trying to get an unlimited* racial SLA wouldn't be easy lol Thanks!
Gallant Armor wrote: Where do you see it listed as dwarf only?
Also, most of the race spells have a tag along the lines of "This spell was designed for X race but can be used by other races upon GM permission."
That tag is not in the ARG rulebook, it is added by d20pfsrd.
All racial spells in the ARG require that you are a member of that race.
ARG p5 wrote: To represent this, each race’s entry presents a number of new character options, such as race-specific archetypes, adventuring equipment, feats, magic items, and spells. ARG p36 wrote: NEW RACIAL RULES
The following options are available to gnomes. At the GM’s discretion, other appropriate races may also make use of some of these.
then the following is under that heading:
ARG p39 wrote: Gnome Spells
Gnomes have access to the following spells.
So, it is clear, it is Gnome only. But, like the d20pfsrd statement, GMs can override it, as they can override anything.
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