what happens to the faithful when they are forced...


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To become monsters. Say a priest is forced by a kiss of vampires to become an undead. Does the priest's god reject their fallen follower even though it is not thier fualt that thier condition was forced on them? This includes other smart monster types.


well it entirely depends on the church i would think as quite a few would welcome an undead, while others would either put them down or lock them up until they can fix the issue


It mostly depends on the gods Alignment and Portfolio. Vampires (to use your example) change the character's alignment to Chaotic Evil, so Good and Lawful deities will pull their support right then and there. Likewise those that despise Undead in all the myriad ways dont care what alignment is, your a deadite so BURN!

Other than that there isnt anything preventing a deity or order from trying to help (and Good and/or Lawful ones will feel far more inclined to).

Liberty's Edge

ghostunderasheet wrote:
To become monsters. Say a priest is forced by a kiss of vampires to become an undead. Does the priest's god reject their fallen follower even though it is not thier fualt that thier condition was forced on them? This includes other smart monster types.

You could say that about anyone who was turned into a vampire against their will. Becoming a vampire turns one's alignment to chaotic evil, so any member a class that requires them to be within one step of their deity's alignment would immediately lose all spellcasting abilities and other class abilities unless their deity was CE, CN, or NE.


I don't know why everyone here thinks becoming a vampire turns you Chaotic Evil; The Template clearly says any Evil.

As for how the Church would react, well, that would depend on your deity, even for neutral gods. For instance, Pharasma hates undead and would definitely cut you off from any support, while a being like Nethys would not really care as long as you kept doing magic. In general though, good deities would want nothing to do with you, some neutral deities would care and some would not, and most evil deities wouldn't give a fig about it.


Malefactor wrote:

I don't know why everyone here thinks becoming a vampire turns you Chaotic Evil; The Template clearly says any Evil.

As for how the Church would react, well, that would depend on your deity, even for neutral gods. For instance, Pharasma hates undead and would definitely cut you off from any support, while a being like Nethys would not really care as long as you kept doing magic. In general though, good deities would want nothing to do with you, some neutral deities would care and some would not, and most evil deities wouldn't give a fig about it.

some evil deities would probably even give you more power :)

Liberty's Edge

Malefactor wrote:

I don't know why everyone here thinks becoming a vampire turns you Chaotic Evil; The Template clearly says any Evil.

You are correct, so it would most deities, it would depend on how far your alignment shifted away from theirs. So, any good deity and any neutral ones like Pharasma that hate undead on principle would disown a priest that became a vampire. Evil gods would probably be delighted.

The other question would be what happens to the priest's soul? Did the soul escape upon death or is it trapped within the body of the undead creature? If it's the former, than a good deity could still welcome the soul of their priest into their plane even as their body is still walking around doing evil things.

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