So, I was just trolling around the internet when I came across someone mentioning something from the Wrath of the Righteous on how a mythic tier is gained.
So, the start of the campaign is simple. The party is in Absalom, when Dahak makes a dramatic entrance from stage right. He destroys half of Absalom during his flight over and his landing. And then proceeds to fly off to go deal with Apsu, who just emerged to fight him. The trial to get the Mythic Tier, is just surviving the destruction Dahak causes in that half of Absalom. From there, the campaign would revolve around the massive world shaking conflict between Dahak and Apsu, resulting in a climatic final showdown that involves Tiamat, the party, Dahak, and Apsu.
What do you all think of this? What CR/MR would you put Dahak (I'd put him on par with the most powerful Demon Lords, like Noticula and Pazuzu, but that's just me.) Would there be anything particularly interesting you think could be done?
Isn't Dahak a full god? As in no CR.
If I'm am remembering correctly then I'd do something similar to the avatar of the mantis god, which is CR30
I believe a mythic cr25 red dragon exists somewhere which might be useful for inspiration, or you could look at varklops tone down his fire and Kaiju stuff and give him spells.
Isn't Dahak a full god? As in no CR.
If I'm am remembering correctly then I'd do something similar to the avatar of the mantis god, which is CR30
I believe a mythic cr25 red dragon exists somewhere which might be useful for inspiration, or you could look at varklops tone down his fire and Kaiju stuff and give him spells.
My reasoning is this. Apsu, a full god, consistently beats Dahak, only to be stopped when Tiamat intervene's. So my logic is that Dahak isn't as strong as Apsu, making me feel like I could reasonably just call him among the strongest of Demi-Gods.
Well by all means you can make Dahak a Demi god in your game.
Also pretty sure Tiamat doesn't have much to do with the golarian pantheon anymore, she was only really in some of their earlier stuff. But again that can change in your game.
As far as I know Dahak is a full god.
Asshaq the annihilator is a CR25 dragon (female great wyrm red dragon cleric of Dahak 07).
As for the OP's idea: go for it although I think you'd be better served by using some powerful mythic dragon and not a full god, because a full god in PF has no stats and the means to defeat one are beyond even lvl20/mt10 characters (see Iomedae and the trumpet of doom). Defeating a god is WAY more difficult than defeating a demogod like a demonlord or archfiend, there's no mechanical way for doing it (and rightly so, imo). It's like dealing with an artifact who can turn you into dust if you make the wrong moves, you need to find a weakness and exploit it and that required the DM to craft the tale.
Personally I think you could do the same thing without using Dahak. I've an half written campaign dealing with Daralathyxl. Without revealing too much, let's just say in this homebrew campaign the "sixth king" is NOT "just" a CR26 male great wyrm red dragon (hint it's also a lvl 20 sorcerer with mythic tiers, the CR26 version is just a sort of "clone" of the real thing, and he has more than one), he's imprisoned in a demiplane and he's been trying to get out. When he does there's very few people capable of dealing with his rage (which means the PCs... after spending adequate time to get to the final encounter, hopefully with enough levels/tiers to give him and his host a fight).
In this homebrew I also have dragons of comparable power to Daralathyxl though... for example the PCs could persuade a certain lvl20 Alchemist (vivisectionist)/Archmage? N male great wyrm gold dragon to lend a hand to the cause of defeating Daralathyxl...
Well by all means you can make Dahak a Demi god in your game.
Also pretty sure Tiamat doesn't have much to do with the golarian pantheon anymore, she was only really in some of their earlier stuff. But again that can change in your game.
I was going off lore I found on the Pathfinder Wiki. Not entirely sure of its cannon, but it mentions Tiamat in both the Dahak and Apsu entries, and has a separate entry for Tiamat.
As far as I know Dahak is a full god.
Asshaq the annihilator is a CR25 dragon (female great wyrm red dragon cleric of Dahak 07).As for the OP's idea: go for it although I think you'd be better served by using some powerful mythic dragon and not a full god, because a full god in PF has no stats and the means to defeat one are beyond even lvl20/mt10 characters (see Iomedae and the trumpet of doom). Defeating a god is WAY more difficult than defeating a demogod like a demonlord or archfiend, there's no mechanical way for doing it (and rightly so, imo). It's like dealing with an artifact who can turn you into dust if you make the wrong moves, you need to find a weakness and exploit it and that required the DM to craft the tale.
Personally I think you could do the same thing without using Dahak. I've an half written campaign dealing with Daralathyxl. Without revealing too much, let's just say in this homebrew campaign the "sixth king" is NOT "just" a CR26 male great wyrm red dragon (hint it's also a lvl 20 sorcerer with mythic tiers, the CR26 version is just a sort of "clone" of the real thing, and he has more than one), he's imprisoned in a demiplane and he's been trying to get out. When he does there's very few people capable of dealing with his rage (which means the PCs... after spending adequate time to get to the final encounter, hopefully with enough levels/tiers to give him and his host a fight).
In this homebrew I also have dragons of comparable power to Daralathyxl though... for example the PCs could persuade a certain lvl20 Alchemist (vivisectionist)/Archmage? N male great wyrm gold dragon to lend a hand to the cause of defeating Daralathyxl...
I could do it with a different dragon, but the issue I find with that is that it seems like it wouldn't feel as epic and grandiose.
I could do it with a different dragon, but the issue I find with that is that it seems like it wouldn't feel as epic and grandiose.As far as I know Dahak is a full god.
Asshaq the annihilator is a CR25 dragon (female great wyrm red dragon cleric of Dahak 07).As for the OP's idea: go for it although I think you'd be better served by using some powerful mythic dragon and not a full god, because a full god in PF has no stats and the means to defeat one are beyond even lvl20/mt10 characters (see Iomedae and the trumpet of doom). Defeating a god is WAY more difficult than defeating a demogod like a demonlord or archfiend, there's no mechanical way for doing it (and rightly so, imo). It's like dealing with an artifact who can turn you into dust if you make the wrong moves, you need to find a weakness and exploit it and that required the DM to craft the tale.
Personally I think you could do the same thing without using Dahak. I've an half written campaign dealing with Daralathyxl. Without revealing too much, let's just say in this homebrew campaign the "sixth king" is NOT "just" a CR26 male great wyrm red dragon (hint it's also a lvl 20 sorcerer with mythic tiers, the CR26 version is just a sort of "clone" of the real thing, and he has more than one), he's imprisoned in a demiplane and he's been trying to get out. When he does there's very few people capable of dealing with his rage (which means the PCs... after spending adequate time to get to the final encounter, hopefully with enough levels/tiers to give him and his host a fight).
In this homebrew I also have dragons of comparable power to Daralathyxl though... for example the PCs could persuade a certain lvl20 Alchemist (vivisectionist)/Archmage? N male great wyrm gold dragon to lend a hand to the cause of defeating Daralathyxl...
It's your game so do what you think it's best for it.
That said, epic and grandiose is something you build with storytelling. It's not enough to tell your players "Well, that's Dahak, he's a god of destruction and he just thrashed half of Absalom" to make it feel epic. For pretty much the same effect you can say "this is Daralathyxl, he's called the "sixth king of the five king mountains" because he's the most powerful red dragon alive. When he stirs, nations give him whatever he wants or they die. Messily".It's much better to build these feelings. Players slowly discover these awesome creatures, first as legends and then as very real threats, and it feels much more satisfying to defy them and stop their plots. That way the fight matters because the players feel like they know their opponents. It's not like they pop up with a bran new level 20 character to fight the (big) critter of the week. These beings are the story. Treat them with due respect.