Runesage in PFS? Legality confusion

[Sinistrad]

Additional Resources flat out says "All archetypes in this book are legal for play."

Well, the Runesage is "treated as" a Thassilonian specialist for which spells they can prepare and how many spells they get, but they are not actually Thassilonian specialists nor do they count as using Thassilonian magic. Technically. So it would seem that Runesages are legal.

But because Thassilonian magic/specialization is specifically called out as not legal further down in the AR entry, this creates some confusion. Archives of Nethys has flagged the archetype as not legal. I disagree with this interpretation of AR but am feeling doubtful anyway.

So before I get my hopes up, can anyone confirm if Runesage is legal or not in PFS? Did I miss something that the admin of Archives of Nethys noticed?

EDIT: It's also occurred to me that perhaps the admin on Archives has not re-updated the site since Adventurer's Guide was added to the AR. The book was out for a while and not on the AR so perhaps I am just worried over nothing?

[thecursor]

As far as I know, Thassilonian magic was held back because it's specifically listed as a reward on a chronicle for a scenario (which I won't name here because spoilers). Runesage is a different archetype entirely, hence it's legality.

[Sinistrad]

Thassilonian Magic has been around for a while. This is just a reprint. Runesage is new and gives the vast majority of the benefits and some new perks that make it better than the original in some ways.

That's why I am surprised to see it made legal and wondering if there was an error somewhere. If not, I am going to be all over this archetype! :P

[Andy Brown]

Runesage is only legal from a boon on a particular chronicle.

[thecursor]

Andy Brown wrote:

Runesage is only legal from a boon on a particular chronicle.

That's Runegard, which is a Prestige Class. This is Runesage and it's legal.

As for Sinistrad's comment. Yes, Thassilonian Magic has been around awhile but it is legal only if you play a certain scenario and get the boon. But since Runesage is new and also a whole new archetype and it's not connected to Thassilonian Magic. You now have two options: either go out, track down the scenario and play at at a PFS table, thus opening the chance to build a new character with Thassilonian Magic or...just build a Runesage wizard.

[Andy Brown]

thecursor wrote:

Andy Brown wrote:

Runesage is only legal from a boon on a particular chronicle.

That's Runegard, which is a Prestige Class. This is Runesage and it's legal.

Early morning brain means I should check things properly.

[Ferious Thune]

The AR update has only been out a few days, so yeah, I think Archives of Nethys has probably not gotten around to updating what is legal yet.

[Sinistrad]

Ferious Thune wrote:

The AR update has only been out a few days, so yeah, I think Archives of Nethys has probably not gotten around to updating what is legal yet.

Ok that's what I was hoping. Thanks for the info all.

And (replying to other comments) I know which scenario the boon for the "real" Thassilonian magic comes from but obvs not stating it here to avoid spoilers. :) That boon also has other perks that makes it totally worth it. But, Runesage does kind of temper my desire to go nab that boon.

Now the question is do I combine it with Bonded Wizard or Scroll Scholar? Haha

[thecursor]

Sinistrad wrote:

That boon also has other perks that makes it totally worth it. But, Runesage does kind of temper my desire to go nab that boon.

Honestly? I've given up on Thassalonian Magic entirely and now I'm going to make a Runesage who becomes a Runeguard at 5th level.

[Belafon]

Sinistrad wrote:

Ferious Thune wrote:

The AR update has only been out a few days, so yeah, I think Archives of Nethys has probably not gotten around to updating what is legal yet.

Ok that's what I was hoping. Thanks for the info all.

And (replying to other comments) I know which scenario the boon for the "real" Thassilonian magic comes from but obvs not stating it here to avoid spoilers. :) That boon also has other perks that makes it totally worth it. But, Runesage does kind of temper my desire to go nab that boon.

Now the question is do I combine it with Bonded Wizard or Scroll Scholar? Haha

Despite what Archives of Nethys has in their summary, Bonded Wizard does modify Arcane Bond so it doesn't stack with Runesage. (In a home game I would be perfectly fine with a player taking both because of how the Bonded Wizard modifies it, but sadly no-go in PFS.)

I believe the only (PFS-legal) archetype that stacks with Runesage is Scroll Scholar.

[Ascalaphus]

So if I understand it correctly, a Runesage....

- Doesn't gain school powers
- Prepares extra spells from a chosen school like a Thassilonian specialist
- Can't use spells from the chosen school's opposed school
- Saves a bit of money on spell components
- Always choses bonded object over familiar

I think I like my Thassilonian Evoker better.

[Murdock Mudeater]

Kevin Willis wrote:

Despite what Archives of Nethys has in their summary, Bonded Wizard does modify Arcane Bond so it doesn't stack with Runesage.

The Bonded Wizard entry on Archives of Nethys really bugs me. They combined two abilities into a single paragraph, so it looks Hidden Bond (Su) includes the Text for Bonded Force (Su).

And I agree, it does modify arcane bond (by forcing you to select an object).