Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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It turns out to be quite hard to set a reasonable number.
You might be uncomfortable letting someone take the "talk" free action give times in a row, because orating at length in six seconds...
But a mid-level archer has enough BAB/rapid shot/manyshot/haste to fire his bow five times in a round, and should be able to draw give arrows.
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Nope, it's up to the GM. Actually PFS leadership doesn't always act to reduce table variation. PFS leadership likes people to run things as written. If the PFS leadership hasn't felt something is worth clarifying, then "expect table variation" is the mantra of the day.
In the case of free actions, I tend to not worry about it unless you are trying to set up some indefinite loop of events.
I've seen monks make up to 10 attacks in a round. If a monk is attacking with shuriken, which are drawn as a free action like ammunition, should they be prevented from drawing all the ones they need to complete their full attack because the GM set an arbitrary limit of 6 free actions per round?
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My rule of thumb on free actions:
Every Class should be able to make all of their BAB iterative attacks, feat granted extra attacks (improved two-weapon fighting or rapid shot), and spell granted extra attacks (haste or blessing of fervor).
Once you allow that, restricting one or two free actions here and there seems petty.
Although, if the player is using the "free action" paradigm to create broken combinations (above being able to make all your attacks) and endless loops, then nip it in the bud.
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The world is your oyster.I prefer prime numbers.I go with a hard limit of 31 per round, per PC.42
I'm not nearly as much of a math nerd as I used to be. But now that you showed me that, I couldn't resist figuring it out for the number 31.
31
94
47
142
71
214
107
322
161
484
242
121
364
182
91
274
137
412
206
103
310
155
466
233
700
350
175
526
263
790
395
1186
593
1780
890
445
1336
668
334
167
502
251
754
377
1132
566
283
850
425
1276
638
319
958
479
1438
719
2158
1079
3238
1619
4858
2429
7288
3644
1822
911
2734
1367
4102
2051
6154
3077
9232
4616
2308
1154
577
1732
866
433
1300
650
325
976
488
244
122
61
184
92
46
23
70
35
106
53
160
80
40
20
10
5
16
8
4
2
1
And yes, I did all that in my head without a calculator, only writing down the result at each step. And then confirmed that I got it right afterwards. It's good to know that I can still do stuff like that almost as well as I did in high school, 25+ years ago.
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I go with a hard limit of 31 per round, per PC.
If you can find a way to hit that limit, with only one of them being for speaking, then you get a golf clap, and are told to shut up and let someone else have a turn.
Play an indecisive Gunslinger
Carry multiple identical-looking pistols firearms with different ammo types.
Have Quick Draw.
Have Gun Twirling.
Draw a gun.
Realize it's the wrong gun.
Re-holster gun.
Repeat multiple times.
Exclaim occasionally "Where is that gun?!"
With 31st free action, have character sigh and mumble his apologies.
If anyone said I don't have enough free actions to draw and shoot all the arrows my BAB and feats allowed me to, I'd get pissed.
- Doesn't have enough actions to fire weapon at full BAB #crossbowproblems
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This 'debate' does come up occasionally at my table too. Less due to mechanics such as drawing and firing arrows and more from a conversation stand point such as relaying knowledge checks (can that be done out of turn if the wizard acts after the fighter for example so they know to draw their silver dagger instead of using their regular greatsword), discussing tactics and positioning and so on.
Just wondering if there is no hard and fast rule if there is a general consensus on how much is 'reasonable' for this kind of thing.
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Just wondering if there is no hard and fast rule if there is a general consensus on how much is 'reasonable' for this kind of thing.
For the most part, the same limit on Free actions is imposed on players that just can't decide what to do on their turn. No hard limit, but at a certain point, the GM just goes to the next person. Besides, I don't think characters are obligated to use all their possible actions on every turn.
Regarding relaying knowledge check results. Depends on the GM. Many GMs locally just allow instant knowledge for all players involved. Did have one that insisted characters couldn't talk if it wasn't their turn. I'm pretty passive on this one, provided the GM is consistent, I don't really care how they rule it at the table.