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First off I just want to thank everyone who took the time to post in this thread
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uh04?Weapon-Suggestion-help
Really gave me a lot to think about when it came to finalizing my last 3.5 character conversions. the 3.5 scene is kinda dead and i wanna start playing some pathfinder games on things like roll 20
Now on to my characters took a bit of creative thinking but i got them in a place i feel happy with.
All characters are made with the assumption that you will be allowed a 25 point buy, 2 traits, are based in the world of golorion and are intended to come fully online by level 5 with the intent of playing up to level 15.
And without further ado lets get on with it.
The first is well...ME!
Malik Gyan Daumantas:One who Hungers for Knowledge and Wisdom
MindBlade or Bladebound Magus I haven't Decided Yet
Starting Stats
Str:14
Dex:16
Con:14
Int:14+2
Wis:10
Cha:10
Feats:
H:Dodge
1:Weapon Finesse
3:Combat Casting
Bonus Feat:Improved Unarmed Strike
5:Crane Style
7:Dilettante
9:Intensify Spell
Bonus Feat:Improved Critical
11:Dimentional Agility
13:Spell Penetration
15:Greater Spell Penetration
Traits:
Cautious Warrior
Clever Wordplay
Magus Arcanas
Level 3:Obtain Blackblade
Level 6:Empowered Magic
Level 9:Hasted Assault
Level 12:Maximized Magic
Level 15:Quickened Magic
Synopsis Notes:The original 3.5 iteration of this character was a Warblade/Wizard who prestiged into Abjurant Champion.My Persona Character. A product of me asking myself a lot of questions. A highly Defensive and highly Mobile Character who was difficult to pin down and hit hard but was also useful outside of combat. through things like diplomacy and knowledge checks.
I took the same approach here making sure my character had something to do outside of combat other then wait for the next fight to happen. I also divulged away from the Dervish dance/Magical Lineage Intensified Shocking Grasp Mindset that many guides I researched seem to advocate as i felt that made the magus too one dimensional when it's capable of so much more.
So I made him a Rapier Wielding Combatant That Fights Defensively who act like a pseudo investigator outside of combat. Good with multiple Knowledges, Diplomacy thanks to clever wordplay and Linguistics,I came up with this build after also studying the various fighter guides a duelist guide and the one based on the aldori swordlord, Unsurprising considering he was Born in Quantium and studied at the arcanamirium in absolom So he was exposed to a variety of different things
You won't be fighting defensively starting out as you don't really need it though you're probably wondering why one would go this route in the first place. It's mostly possible due to the spell Blade Tutor's Spirit. By level 5 Swift action into crane style and then casting Blade tutor's Spirit should always be your opening move as it basically net's you a +6 to AC for almost no penalty. Pretty good deal if you ask me.
Next we have Elenora Kendra:The Lion Hearted Guardian.
Sacred Fist Warpriest of Irori
Starting Stats
Str:14
Dex:14
Con:14
Int:14
Wis:14+2
Cha:10
Feats:
H:Fast Learner
1:Toughness, Improved Unarmed Strike
3:Deific Obedience
5:Snake Style
Bonus Style Feat:Pummeling Style
7:Combat Style Master
9:Ki Channel
11:Quicken Blessing
Bonus Style Feats:Pummeling Charge
13:Touch of Serenity
15:Divine Interference
Traits
Sacred Touch
Orphaned
The Approach I tried to take with her is a frontline combat medic inspired by the Champions of Irori. I hear guides say over and over again that you should never be a bandaid or a healer. I would like to argue that you should never be JUST a healer.
If you can fight back theres nothing wrong with helping out your team and I doubt any of them will complain when you basically save them from certain death.
On top of Being on the frontlines, she's capable of hitting hard and taking it just as well combine with the ability to heal herself as a swift action and the fact that by level 9 she can just shrug off most fortitude saves Elenora is a tough Zit to pop not even counting her spells. Think either a guardian angel or kung Fu Mary Seacole
Out of combat she can tell when people are lying at the drop of a hat, being wisdom based her perception skills are great, naturally her heal checks are good and due to her being raised in the tar kuata monastery she knows how to survive in the wilderness (I.E Orphaned at their doorstep) along with deific obedience making her at least capable of good knowledge checks
And Finally the one you all helped me with
Nacia Mahuika:The Passionate Fire Goddess
Sandman Bard
Starting Stats
Str:12
Dex:14
Con:12
Int:14+2
Wis:11
Cha:16
Feats:Racial Feat:Skill Focus(Disguise)
1:Arcane Strike
3:Eldritch Heritage
5:Deadly Dealer
7:Dilettante
9:Quick Draw
11:Improved Eldritch Heritage
13:Spell Focus(Enchantment)
15:Greater Spell Focus(Enchantment)
Traits
Tattooed Mystic
Criminal
Masterpieces:Dance of the 23 Steps
This one was hard to finalize because i knew what i wanted to do with her but i found it difficult to put in together. Basically what i wanted was a bardic thief that could act as Infiltrator, negotiator,Scout and if need be assassin, which also makes for a great cover identity. Basically think if mata hari and agent 47 had a baby with an interest in tarot cards. So yeah a Seductive, fortune telling Femme fatale.
While Being primarily Skill based she's also somewhat competent in a fight just not against really big people or a slew of enemies. I guess that comes with the territory,though Admittedly i'm still torn between this and a Rogue/Sorcerer Multiclass since Half-Elves Can actually multiclass fairly well when other races would falter. Give the character a certain punch that a straight bard kinda lacks. Either way this is what i managed to pull together
Whew that took forever anyway, these are my converted 3.5 characters. Im kinda dead set on the general core, but any tips tweaks and suggestions for any of them would be appreciated
Thanks in advance all.
@ Elenora: If you are allowed to take campaign traits consider Finding Haleen/Finding your Kin which lets you take the +1hp and +1 skill point as a trait rather than a feat. I'd suggest it instead of Sacred Touch, you can take the stabilize orison to do the same thing. There is also the Cunning feat from the Villians Codex. I'm having a hard time finding a link, but it gives 1 extra skill point per level. The trait fates favored seems to be often suggested for warpriests since it increases the potency of several buffs. If you're open to Dreamscarred Press material you could take Open Minded for an extra skill per level.
@ Bard: As an alternative you could go URogue 3/Archaeologist BardX, with this you'll want the fates favored trait since the Archaeologist gives a luck bonus to basically everything. A 3 level dip hurts spell casting, but you can get 1.5 dex to damage with the bladed scarf. Actually 3 levels of U
Rogue works with sandman too. I'd suggest getting a 13 str and power attack. By the way, what eldrich heritage are you taking?
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ChaiGuy,
You do know that the orison, Stabilize, provokes attacks of opportunity, while Sacred Touch does not. This can be a huge thing if your GM likes big messy fights. Mostly, the orison is a better choice, but your experience may vary.
ChaiGuy,
You do know that the orison, Stabilize, provokes attacks of opportunity, while Sacred Touch does not. This can be a huge thing if your GM likes big messy fights. Mostly, the orison is a better choice, but your experience may vary.
Certainly this is an advantage for Sacred Touch, there are just a lot of really good traits to choose from IMO.
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@ Elenora: If you are allowed to take campaign traits consider Finding Haleen/Finding your Kin which lets you take the +1hp and +1 skill point as a trait rather than a feat. I'd suggest it instead of Sacred Touch, you can take the stabilize orison to do the same thing. There is also the Cunning feat from the Villians Codex. I'm having a hard time finding a link, but it gives 1 extra skill point per level. The trait fates favored seems to be often suggested for warpriests since it increases the potency of several buffs. If you're open to Dreamscarred Press material you could take Open Minded for an extra skill per level.
@ Bard: As an alternative you could go URogue 3/Archaeologist BardX, with this you'll want the fates favored trait since the Archaeologist gives a luck bonus to basically everything. A 3 level dip hurts spell casting, but you can get 1.5 dex to damage with the bladed scarf. Actually 3 levels of U
Rogue works with sandman too. I'd suggest getting a 13 str and power attack. By the way, what eldrich heritage are you taking?
Either Arcane or Rakshasa
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Can you be more specific about what kind of input you are looking for? For example, on magus, blackblade hexcrafter I know is great, but a 13th level strength based mindblade seems awesome. Note that concentration checks are absolutely brutal for spells that would otherwise have verbal components, but you could cast in heavy armor from level 1 (because none of your spells have somatic components). AFAIK anyway.
I recommend dervish dance like everyone else for magus, unless you want more str.
For warpriest: If you are taking deific obedience anyway, why not evangelist?
Bard: Personally I hate sandman unless you are playing a solo campaign or something, seems very hard to use the class features you do have and you give up all my favorite ones, buuuut that's probably just me. I recommend deceiver instead.
I kinda wanted to distance myself from the dervish dance mindset, and since I don't Plan on getting anything higher then a mithril chain shirt, i figured an extra +4 to damange wouldn't be THAT significant.
I'm Looking at evangelist now and yeah this looks pretty good...i would be down one level of warpriest overall but the gains i would get seem worth it...yeah I'll definitely look into implementing it
Also could you direct me to this deceiver and any other class suggestions for the bard? or if i should even go bard at all?
Oh also if there are any prestige classes worth getting as either a magus or a bard it would be appriciated
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Magus -
I'd drop your Strength down to 10, bump your INT to 16, and put the +2 racial bonus on DEX.A lot of magus dump their CHA. CHA isn't really needed and a skill rank here and there balances out that negative CHA modifier. Can put those points to better use almost anywhere else.
at level 5 you should have the money to get the Agile enchantment on your weapon. Or you can pick up the rapier feat that adds DEX to damage.
Do not go with a prestige class with the Magus. You're just giving up way too much for what you'd be getting. I'm actually not a fan of any of the Magus's archetypes. Just feel like you're giving up to much of the flexibility the base magus class has but this is my personal opinion.
Bard -
Question: Do you plan on using spells that require saves vs your enemies?
If so, you really should start with a 18 in your primary caster stat. If not, why do you have all the Enchantment feats?From what you've described as the task you want the bard doing. Suggest you take a look at the feat: Hellcat Stealth, as being able to stealth out in the open is way too good to pass up.
This is just a personal preference, but I don't like having negative stats in anything. I wanna be able to at least roll a flat d20 on anything i do. Besides I'm going Bladebound Magus, and as far as I can tell you can't enchant that.
Also I looked up fencing grace, and double checked to make sure....you can't use spell combat with fencing grace.
As for why i don't have an 18 on my primary caster stat, well same reasons as for the magus...I never really liked frontloaded characters. I found it tends to backfire horribly.
Hellcat stealth looks nice though.
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Can you be more specific about what kind of input you are looking for? For example, on magus, blackblade hexcrafter I know is great, but a 13th level strength based mindblade seems awesome. Note that concentration checks are absolutely brutal for spells that would otherwise have verbal components, but you could cast in heavy armor from level 1 (because none of your spells have somatic components). AFAIK anyway.
I recommend dervish dance like everyone else for magus, unless you want more str.
For warpriest: If you are taking deific obedience anyway, why not evangelist?
Bard: Personally I hate sandman unless you are playing a solo campaign or something, seems very hard to use the class features you do have and you give up all my favorite ones, buuuut that's probably just me. I recommend deceiver instead.
I kinda wanted to distance myself from the dervish dance mindset, and since I don't Plan on getting anything higher then a mithril chain shirt, i figured an extra +4 to damange wouldn't be THAT significant.
I'm Looking at evangelist now and yeah this looks pretty good...i would be down one level of warpriest overall but the gains i would get seem worth it...yeah I'll definitely look into implementing it
Also could you direct me to this deceiver and any other class suggestions for the bard? or if i should even go bard at all?
Oh also if there are any prestige classes worth getting as either a magus or a bard it would be appriciated
I totally believe bard is your best bet for seductive infiltrator. Though did I mentioned deific obedience to Calistria / Arshea and mystery cultist yet? :D
Links:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo-bard-arc hetypes/brazen-deceiver-bard-archetype/or http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo-bard-arc hetypes/magician/
if you don't like inspire courage. You've already looked at the Geishas.bard things:...
Oh yeah I'm definitely liking the feel of this and you get spellsong for free! Losing Bardic Knowledge and Lore master is a bit of a hit as well as versatile performance, but invoke the blood is an amazing trade.
So yeah it would be either brazen deciever or Lotus Geisha....the only problem is.....how would i justify a varisian adopted lotus geisha in the inner sea region? How could i have it make sense?
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Depending on how you roll, sometimes it's easy to reflavor things. Perhaps she was exiled or forced to flee due to political intrigue and picked up the criminal background among other things.
Yeah i might go with brazen deciever, though im not a big fan of the obviously evil feel of it im guessing it doesn't have to be this way....Maybe i can just say the character is a runaway from westcrown?
Why not instead of a bard, consider a mesmerist with an archetype of a vexing daredevil?
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Why not instead of a bard, consider a mesmerist with an archetype of a vexing daredevil?
Believe me i thought of it but 2 things kinda get in the way. 1 how to incorporate dancing in a meaningful way cause with bards it would make sense. Though to be fair it's proven almost pointless to try and incorporate perform into bards as well, outside of some RP and pocket change.
The other problem is I kinda intend for these characters to have their basis in the inner sea region...and I don't know how prominent psychic magic is there. I do know that Psychic magic is pretty common place in Vudra