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I know these have been asked and answered regularly, but the sheer quantity of threads and debates makes finding a current, accurate ruling difficult.
1. When you play a higher level pregen and put the credit on a level 1 PC, does it have to be the first xp for that PC, or can you put it on any level 1?
2. Can you put a GM credit from a higher level adventure on a level 1 PC the way you can with a pregen credit?
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1. That's what I thought, but wanted to make sure it was still accurate, since the Guide wording is wrong.
2. On page 16 of the Guide, it talks about applying a GM credit to a low level PC and holding the credit until you reach that level. It doesn't say that you can put it on a level 1 PC and get 500 gp immediately, the way you could if you played a pregen. Since that option isn't mentioned, I'd think it's not an option for GMs. But it does say, "A GM can assign credit for running an adventure in any of the same ways a player can, and must follow the same rules as a player when applying credit to a character", which makes me think you can do it.
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Perhaps #2 will similarly be addressed in the new Guide.
One month to go!
Hopefully FAR LESS than a month.
There needs to be time to digest the thing rather than the cluster-- exceptionally troubled work that was last year's guide.
"Oh, I get a reroll for each star I've got?"
"What do you mean, I have to pay for pregen res?"
etc, etc, etc.
Perhaps it might even be better to *not* release the thing at GenCon or the week before, and instead wait a couple of weeks into the Season?
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Yes, you can apply GM credit with reduced gold to 1st levels. That is precisely what that text was added to address.
Wow, I never would have assumed that you could apply GM credit to a character that wasn't in range. If the new guide is still able to be edited I'd make sure it's explicit if that's true.
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Like the entire point I thought was that you had to have the character reach the level of the scenario and get credit as if going through at that time. If you're able to apply a 7-11 GM created to a lv1 for 500gp how do you know which tier of items are available? Is it assumed you ran a pregen of the lowest level and just works like that?
Cause if you can apply it to a lv1 my lodge's leaders will need to apologize to a few people for telling new GM's they weren't allowed to do that.
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A GM can assign credit for running an adventure in any of the same ways a player can.Is this not explicit enough?
no, cause when a player normally runs through a scenario they can't apply it at lv1. Nothing in that says you're able to follow Pregen rules or rules similar to pregens for being able to apply to a lv1.
I thought it meant that you can't have the same scenario on a character twice, that the character had to be in range (or held for lowest possible as stated in the sentence before), that you got only got faction boons of your faction. You know, just saying that it's just like applying a scenario normally.
I'm still not fully convinced that it's allowed. Like saying, "if you're applying credit to someone too low you can hold it and apply at the lowest or it can be reduced to 500 gold and applied to a lv1." Cause then it's explicit like the pregen section and like the same length.
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Are pregen rules not ways players can assign credit?They are but I know of at least one VC who does not believe you can do it.
Sometimes VCs are wrong, film at 11.
I have never encountered a rule in Pathfinder, Organized Play or hell anywhere that was written so explicitly and clearly that nobody got it wrong.
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Are pregen rules not ways players can assign credit?
Not when not playing a pregen.
If I play a normal character I can't follow pregen rules to apply it to a lv1 character.Like this is at least my VL, VC, and 2 VAs that have all ruled this way. None of us have ever thought that the pregen rules somehow applied in some form.
And it's still not been answered if you're able to do this how to determine which subtier this "gmgen" counts in.
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Subtier played. That really only matters for chronicle sheet loot, which means that it really doesn't matter.
But GM's are supposed to be fairly immune to the subtier the table played at. With loot being decided on subtier played if the GM character is between tiers.
But if we no longer are basing stuff on the GM's character but pretending there was a pregen that could be applied to a lv1 the question is what level was the pregen?|
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But GM's are supposed to be fairly immune to the subtier the table played at. With loot being decided on subtier played if the GM character is between tiers.What does it matter for?
But if we no longer are basing stuff on the GM's character but pretending there was a pregen that could be applied to a lv1 the question is what level was the pregen?Why would it matter?
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Subtier played. That really only matters for chronicle sheet loot, which means that it really doesn't matter.Well... chronicle loot usually doesn't matter because you usually have enough Fame to buy it, anyways. That probably won't be the case for a Tier 7-11 chronicle reduced to level 1, meaning you might just be able to buy that cloak of resistance +1 everyone was mocking being on the sheet a few adventures before you hit 13 Fame.
You can do that with a pregen anyway. The pregen can even play up
The idea is that the guy that spent 5 bucks on the scenario and then a few hours prepping it and then 4 hours playing it should get at least the same use out of it as someone grabbing a pregen clone and playing at the last minute.
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You can do that with a pregen anyway. The pregen can even play upSubtier played. That really only matters for chronicle sheet loot, which means that it really doesn't matter.Well... chronicle loot usually doesn't matter because you usually have enough Fame to buy it, anyways. That probably won't be the case for a Tier 7-11 chronicle reduced to level 1, meaning you might just be able to buy that cloak of resistance +1 everyone was mocking being on the sheet a few adventures before you hit 13 Fame.
Right, but we have rules covering that and how it can happen. I don't see rules stating which tier of loot the GMGEN is in to get loot. Does the GMGEN get to pretend that he played up, does it match the table, or is it always the lowest? Pregens are always what they played in, but the GM didn't play in either.
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Right, but we have rules covering that and how it can happen. I don't see rules stating which tier of loot the GMGEN is in to get loot. Does the GMGEN get to pretend that he played up, does it match the table, or is it always the lowest? Pregens are always what they played in, but the GM didn't play in either.You can do that with a pregen anyway. The pregen can even play upSubtier played. That really only matters for chronicle sheet loot, which means that it really doesn't matter.Well... chronicle loot usually doesn't matter because you usually have enough Fame to buy it, anyways. That probably won't be the case for a Tier 7-11 chronicle reduced to level 1, meaning you might just be able to buy that cloak of resistance +1 everyone was mocking being on the sheet a few adventures before you hit 13 Fame.
What do you think is fair?
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Subtier played. That really only matters for chronicle sheet loot, which means that it really doesn't matter.Well... chronicle loot usually doesn't matter because you usually have enough Fame to buy it, anyways. That probably won't be the case for a Tier 7-11 chronicle reduced to level 1, meaning you might just be able to buy that cloak of resistance +1 everyone was mocking being on the sheet a few adventures before you hit 13 Fame.You can do that with a pregen anyway. The pregen can even play up
The idea is that the guy that spent 5 bucks on the scenario and then a few hours prepping it and then 4 hours playing it should get at least the same use out of it as someone grabbing a pregen clone and playing at the last minute.
We have rules for this. If it's a 5-9 and the player has a lv5 the pregan can be still played and can be high tier and the chronicle held for lv7 for high tier. If the GM's character is lv5 he doesn't have the option to hold it for later to get higher rewards, he has to apply it right away and as the appropriate tier, so always in tier.
SO this is either true and GM's and pregens are different, or "since a pregen could do it" I don't have to follow the instantly apply rule and hold it off for some later level or something.
I'm just saying there seems to be considerable holes in how this works.
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Right, but we have rules covering that and how it can happen. I don't see rules stating which tier of loot the GMGEN is in to get loot.You can do it any way a player can
We have rules for a player doing it that way
You can do it that way
Your way right away at burger king now.
So we can pretend that we played a GMGEN that is ANY LEVEl in the scenario range and apply credit that way to our character?
If I have a lv5 that's getting the credit I can GM a 5-9 and hold the credit till lv7 and get the high tier stuff?
We have rules for pregens. We don't have rules for GMgens or how to calculate the GMgen for pregen rules.
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We have rules for pregens. We don't have rules for GMgens or how to calculate the GMgen for pregen rules.
We don't need rules. You're overthinking the process. Mark gold to the lesser total, cross out all but the lowest tier. Item access is based on the characters level, so if they aren't in the higher tiers, they don't get access. If you can't answer what subtier they are in, they don't get the high tier access.
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You are then concluding that it doesn't work that way, when Pfs pretty much runs a fleet of swiss cheese.
I'm just saying there seems to be considerable holes in how this works.
No, I'm not equating me having a lack of these answers that the view is wrong. I'm saying if the view is correct (and the people that wrote it are saying it is so it's very likely is) how is it supposed to be handled.
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We don't need rules. You're overthinking the process. Mark gold to the lesser total, cross out all but the lowest tier. Item access is based on the characters level, so if they aren't in the higher tiers, they don't get access. If you can't answer what subtier they are in, they don't get the high tier access.
We have rules for pregens. We don't have rules for GMgens or how to calculate the GMgen for pregen rules.
I was wanting clarification. If I'm supposed to allow credit like this I want to make sure there aren't more things that supposed to have been covered that I'm not seeing.
Item access is based on tier played for pregens and PC's, not character level.
Like I assumed that the GMgen was to be the lowest level of the scenario. But when the answer is "anything a pregen can do a GMgen can do" that opens up lots of stuff like delaying a chronicle for 2 levels by using a lv7 GMgen for the lv5 character that was in scenario range. Cause that's something a Pregen could do and apparently a GMgen can't do. It seems that view is correct. I just wanted to make sure since it didn't allow all possible options that a pregen could do.
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And this is why I asked. It's not quite clear that you should be able to do this. It seems like a reasonable thing to be able to do, but it doesn't say it explicitly in the Guide.
If we could get an official answer soon, that would be good, since I already GMed the 5-9 adventure yesterday, and haven't decided which PC to assign it to. I prefer using GM credits to just skip low levels, so I actually don't really want to put it on any 5-9 PC. I'd rather just use it to help get a new level 1 started.
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What Fromper said.
My original position was GM credit did not apply as if playing a pregen. I talked with other VOs about it and accepted it was common practice though, even if not explicitly stated in the guide.
On page 16 of the Season 8 guide it says:
In the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild, we reward GMs for volunteering their time to run events. Starting with Version 2.2 of this guide (and not retroactive to any previous scenarios that were run), any GM who runs a scenario gets full credit for that scenario applied to one of her own characters. GMs also receive additional rewards based on the number of scenarios they have run and reported (See Reporting Scenario Results on page 15 and GM Star Rewards below).
“Full credit” means the GM gets the following: 1 XP for the scenario, 100% of the Max Gold for the subtier most appropriate to the GM’s PC, and 2 PP (or, for a slow advancement track character, 1/2 XP, 1 PP, and 50% of the Max Gold for the subtier most appropriate to the GM’s PC). For sanctioned modules and Adventure Paths, full credit is 3 XP and 4 PP (1 XP and 1 PP or as per the sanctioning document for Free RPG Day modules).
The GM can select any special boons bestowed by a Chronicle sheet, such as free magical treasure, regional boons, or future bonus die rolls. Boons for specific faction members may only be selected if the character that is receiving credit is part of that faction. The GM 's character does not engage in downtime activity.
The subtier for which a GM’s character receives credit depends on the character’s level. If a GM with a 1st-level rogue runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 1–2, she takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet for her 1st-level rogue. If she instead runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 4–5, she still takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet, as her PC clearly falls within the lower subtier.
A GM who receives a Chronicle sheet that indicates her character is between subtiers must always receive the Out-of-Subtier gold value and access to items and boons for the subtier at which the adventure was played.
If the GM with a low-level character runs any higher tier scenarios that don’t include a subtier for her 1st-level rogue, she takes the lowest subtier Chronicle sheet from that scenario and holds it for her PC. Then, once her PC achieves the appropriate level for that Chronicle sheet to be applied, it is immediately applied at that time. For example, if a GM with a 1st-level rogue runs a Tier 5–9 scenario, she would take a Subtier 5–6 Chronicle sheet (the lowest subtier for that tier) for running the scenario and set it aside. Once her rogue reaches 5th level, she can immediately apply the Chronicle sheet to her character. This means that GMs’ characters can potentially level up in bursts.
A GM can assign credit for running an adventure in any of the same ways a player can, and must follow the same rules as a player when applying credit to a character. When you choose to take a Chronicle sheet for GM credit, you must decide which of your characters receives the Chronicle sheet when you fill out the tracking sheet for that table. You must apply Chronicle sheets in the order they are received.
Specifically, in relation to this topic, it says:
If the GM with a low-level character runs any higher tier scenarios that don’t include a subtier for her 1st-level rogue, she takes the lowest subtier Chronicle sheet from that scenario and holds it for her PC. Then, once her PC achieves the appropriate level for that Chronicle sheet to be applied, it is immediately applied at that time. For example, if a GM with a 1st-level rogue runs a Tier 5–9 scenario, she would take a Subtier 5–6 Chronicle sheet (the lowest subtier for that tier) for running the scenario and set it aside. Once her rogue reaches 5th level, she can immediately apply the Chronicle sheet to her character. This means that GMs’ characters can potentially level up in bursts.
No where in the guide does it say "Or you can apply credit as if the GM played a pregenerated character".
We've, mostly, accepted that it is a common practice - but no where does it actually say that explicitly.