I'm trying to come up with a good front line / saboteur character and decided that to get the combat I want I need to go some kind of fighter. The catch is the saboteur part. Alchemist has good synergy with fighter giving mutagens, healing, and buffs. However the combination of a few Archetypes (Poisoner + Underground Chemist + Mutation Warrior) you get something really similar with a few tradeoffs.
The Archetypes:
Gets Rogue Talents
Can get Bombs
Gets Sneak attack
Can Sneak attack with splash weapons (Including Bombs)
Gets Bomb Discoveries (As soon as you get Bombs,) Mutagen Discoveries and a few others (Eventually)
The Alchemist and Fighter
Gets Extracts
Gets ALL discoveries
Gets Armor training
Which is better?
The big one for me is Extracts Vs Sneak Attack
You will need to determine what you want to be your primary form of damage first. Bombs? Sneak Attack? Melee Attacks?
Personally, I favor the Alchemist class the most in a multiclass build. The Extracts, Bombs, Mutagens and Discoveries make everything quite versatile.
If you wanna front-line then boost your STR and CON. You will want to focus on Mutagens to beef yourself up. Look into Ragechemist or Beastmorph archetypes. Upgrade your Mutagen at every opportunity to enhance your prowess. I would only go 1 or 3 levels in Fighter. 1 just to get the proficiencies or 3 for the BAB and Armor Training 1 to increase your use of Medium Armor. You COULD go 7 for Heavy Armor but you're losing a few Discoveries and dice of Bomb damage for it.
Second point, Extracts are basically spells and I would get magic with your character over Sneak Attack... but you CAN have both... Vivisectionist. You could combine Rogue with Vivisectionist, at the loss of Bombs, and make quite a deadly poisoner through Discoveries. That would be less front-line though.
Mixing Underground Chemist with Vivisectionist would net you the most Sneak Attack dice. Precise Splash Weapons is pretty sweet as well, making basic alchemical weapons, like Alchemist's Fire or Holy Water, capable of delivering Sneak Attack damage. Unfortunately you lose Bombs because of Vivisectionist so you wouldn't be able to sneak attack with those.
Vestigial Arm with a Tower Shield would be pretty sweet.
You will need to determine what you want to be your primary form of damage first. Bombs? Sneak Attack? Melee Attacks?
Hes probably going to be a two handed Melee fighter. Which answers my question for me thanks. I need to go vanilla Fighter and Alchemist and focus Mutagens. Maybe I could take smoke bomb and or tangle foot to serve as a gap closer / dex denier respectively. Thanks for putting it all in perspective.
Or you can go mutagen fighter that is a archetype is replaces weapon training with mutagebs
I mean mutagen
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If your willing to entertain a third option I like the steel blooded bloodrager + Id rager.
You gain a few really useful things. Additional wand spells, rage, proficiencies, furious weapon, skill focus, and a great phantom ability when you rage. I recommend dedication. It comes with +2 accuracy boost and iron will.
You are stacking 2 low will classes. This is how you murder your friends.
If you pick up a tumor familiar hedgehog you will get +2 will, +2 will from rage, and +2 will from iron will. You just covered your biggest weakness.