Skill Bonus Stack, Unnamed Bonuses and masterwork skill tools


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

Hi everyone,

I am building Dwarf Cleric(Asmodean Advocate Archetype). I am little bit confused about Unnamed skill bonusses stack and masterwork tool for every skill.

This is my profession(barrister) skill:

3[Unnamed Bonus] Class Skill
5 Wisdom Modifier
1 Rank
3[Unnamed Bonus] Skill Focus Feat
1[Insight Bonus] Devil in the Details
2[Circumstance Bonus] Masterwork Tool
1[Trait Bonus] Mentored Trait
3[Unnamed Bonus] Viper Familiar[for Bluff]
1[Competence Bonus] Incandescent Blue Sphere (Cracked)
[20 for Bluff][17 for Diplomacy]

I know Unnamed bonusses are stacks if they are coming from different sources. But I am not sure these bonusses(class skill bonus, skill focus feat bonus etc.) are unnamed or just i didnt find bonus type.

And i found this item(Traveler's Any Tool). Can i use Circumstance bonus from Masterwork Tool to Profession(Barrister) check.

Also, this is Asmodean Advocate abilites.

"Asmodean Advocate can use her Profession (barrister) skill for Bluff and Diplomacy checks."

"Asmodean advocate gains an insight bonus equal to 1/2 her cleric level (minimum +1) on all Profession (barrister) checks."

"Asmodean advocate gains a familiar as the arcane bond class feature, using her cleric level as her wizard level. She must choose a viper familiar."

"Viper Master gains a +3 bonus on Bluff checks"

Sovereign Court

You're completely substituting bluff and diplomacy with barrister. So any bonuses you have on diplomacy and bluff are useless because you're not using those skills anymore.

So getting Bluff from the Trickery domain, and a bonus to Bluff from the familiar are kinda useless. On the other hand, the viper can talk and try to Aid Another your skill checks.


All of your "Asmodean" bonuses are different racial bonuses that, implicitly, stack. They're similar to circumstance bonuses, in that different racial and class bonuses stack as long as they're from different sources - both of those are from the same Archetype, so you're clear, they're meant to stack. Yes, the Viper Master stacks, as well. ALL untyped (what you're calling 'unnamed') bonuses stack, as long as they're from different sources - if you had Skill Focus as a racial bonus feat and then you took skill focus as your first level feat on the same skill, it would not stack.

Ascalaphus is correct, but not because of what he said but because of what the racial perk says - you aren't substituting one set of ranks for the other, but substituting the WHOLE skill.

Officially, the "masterwork tools" rule implies that ANY skill can receive a +2 from special tools, but I've always treated social skills as an exception, as does everyone I've ever played with. Discuss that with your GM before you apply that, it's a grey area.

HOWEVER, your Viper Master would technically apply, because it's a boost to "bluff checks", not your bluff skill, based on RAW. Unless your GM is a RAW whore, double check, because that is on loose grounds for the rules as intended - it could be worded how they meant, or it could be poorly worded. BECAUSE it's a Archetype, I'd be inclined to say it should, because why the hell would they put it in there if it wasn't? But, when in doubt, slap your GM upside the head and ask.

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